[syfran]

NoBrain, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 03:24 AM, said:

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But I'd prefer violence ( or more specifically aggressiveness) over vegetables.

lol. peace dude. and why we haveto get drunk and fight use other drugs

last research show that ppl using Marijuana are more manageable to suicide

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

also, I never said anything about using other drugs, drug free is the best way to go.


And vegtables tend to taste bad

This post has been edited by syfran: 28 September 2009 - 05:47 AM

[gabehabe]

He means they're more prone to suicide.

[syfran]

Oh, guess the problem will take care of its self then... *hides and braces for the incoming flame wave*

[DaneAU]

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no need for that one syfran, however it was left open for comment

Although i have grown and changed from being a casual user to a position opposed to open use, each to there own and such is life come to mind as appropriate statements concerning the issue.

What i will not tolerate is when people attempt to justify their habbits and tell others there are no associated issues with such habbits. At least have the mind to acknowledge and accept the risks and harm you are inducing on your body and future. If you cannot come to realise such things you are destined for a basket in the future and NO i do not wish that upon anyone.

[raziel_]

as gabehabe i prefer weed over alcohol. even that vegetables taste bad

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Oh, guess the problem will take care of its self then... *hides and braces for the incoming flame wave*

now that is a mistery to me. what where who?

[Jaakuuta]

bbq, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 05:17 AM, said:

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no need for that one syfran, however it was left open for comment

Although i have grown and changed from being a casual user to a position opposed to open use, each to there own and such is life come to mind as appropriate statements concerning the issue.

What i will not tolerate is when people attempt to justify their habbits and tell others there are no associated issues with such habbits. At least have the mind to acknowledge and accept the risks and harm you are inducing on your body and future. If you cannot come to realise such things you are destined for a basket in the future and NO i do not wish that upon anyone.

There are a lot of common habits that aren't necessarily the best for your body, but that doesn't mean that weed is worse than a lot of the common legal things that are much worse for you. Of course there are the mentioned tobacco and alcohol, but there are other things too. People say weed costs a lot of money, well that's true now, but if it was legal it probably wouldn't be much more than cigarettes or alcohol. Besides that, gambling is more damaging to your wallet than weed is usually, unless you're lucky or a really good player. One of the biggest points is that even though it may cause some harm to your body in the long run, everybody's mortal, and I've never known of weed to cause anybody to become violent. As long as you don't hurt anybody, why does it matter?

Btw... destined for a basket?

[modi123_1]

Jaakuuta, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 12:27 PM, said:

, but that doesn't mean that weed is worse than a lot of the common legal things that are much worse for you

FYI this is not an argument for legalizing it.

Jaakuuta, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 12:27 PM, said:

I've never known of weed to cause anybody to become violent

... and I have seen a few that do. Not to mention the violence stemming from the desire to get money to pay for more weed.

[Jaakuuta]

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, but that doesn't mean that weed is worse than a lot of the common legal things that are much worse for you

FYI this is not an argument for legalizing it.

No it's more of an argument saying that it shouldn't have been made illegal in the first place.

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I've never known of weed to cause anybody to become violent

... and I have seen a few that do. Not to mention the violence stemming from the desire to get money to pay for more weed.

Maybe the people you've seen are just violent people because weed just calms you down, it's all about peace...
As for violence to get money to pay for it, if it was legal, we wouldn't have to worry about this anyway

[syfran]

Comparing it to what is legal is a crap argument. They did try to ban alcohol and failed. I'm sure they would do the same with tabacco if they hadn't already learned better and the companies didn't have such a strong hold.

Ever think that they don't want to make the same mistake with dope?

[ForcedSterilizationsForAll]

@Jaak

You do realize that weed does not effect everyone the same way. It makes some people really nervous, higher strung, and paranoid. Just because it relaxes you and calms you does not mean it does that for everyone.

They used to use cocaine in everything as a sort of preservative from Cornflakes to cola. Is this something that should be made legal again?

People commit violent crimes to get money for meth and others drugs, should we legalize those as well to stem the violence? I mean, the users aren't hurting anyone when they do it so why shouldn't it be legalized?

[modi123_1]

Jaakuuta, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

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, but that doesn't mean that weed is worse than a lot of the common legal things that are much worse for you

FYI this is not an argument for legalizing it.

No it's more of an argument saying that it shouldn't have been made illegal in the first place.

That doesn't help your position as syfran indicated. Try something about the here and now.

Jaakuuta, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

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I've never known of weed to cause anybody to become violent

... and I have seen a few that do. Not to mention the violence stemming from the desire to get money to pay for more weed.

Maybe the people you've seen are just violent people because weed just calms you down, it's all about peace...

Nope I am not a user. As Forced also said - paranoia and agitation.

WTF does this mean? "it's all about peace"

Jaakuuta, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

As for violence to get money to pay for it, if it was legal, we wouldn't have to worry about this anyway

Oh and everyone's solution to "tax the hell out of it" will make that any better? Tax the hell out of it and people will buy from the black market which will float shy under the tax.

I would say you are "clearly grasping at straws" but stems might be a better word choice.

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[Jaakuuta]

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, but that doesn't mean that weed is worse than a lot of the common legal things that are much worse for you

FYI this is not an argument for legalizing it.

No it's more of an argument saying that it shouldn't have been made illegal in the first place.

That doesn't help your position as syfran indicated. Try something about the here and now.

Well what I'm basically saying with this is that if it does not pose a danger to others by your using it, then why should it matter what it does to you? I'm saying that since there are things that are legal that are much worse for you why shouldn't weed be?

Jaakuuta, on 28 Sep, 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

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I've never known of weed to cause anybody to become violent

... and I have seen a few that do. Not to mention the violence stemming from the desire to get money to pay for more weed.

Maybe the people you've seen are just violent people because weed just calms you down, it's all about peace...

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Nope I am not a user. As Forced also said - paranoia and agitation.

WTF does this mean? "it's all about peace"

People that toke aren't generally out to get people. People do other shit and they go crazy. People do weed all they usually want to do is just relax, hang out and have a good time. Stoners are usually the people you see at drum circles playing hacky sack and hanging out listening to music. Stoners produced the hippies who were all about peace and love. I can't understand why people have so much against the hippie ideals of peace and love.

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As for violence to get money to pay for it, if it was legal, we wouldn't have to worry about this anyway

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Oh and everyone's solution to "tax the hell out of it" will make that any better? Tax the hell out of it and people will buy from the black market which will float shy under the tax.

I would say you are "clearly grasping at straws" but stems might be a better word choice.

I never advocated "taxing the hell out of it" that's just wrong. I was saying that it would probably cost about as much as cigarettes do now, which is still a huge discount on what it is now...

This post has been edited by Jaakuuta: 28 September 2009 - 02:05 PM

[syfran]

So how does weed help you in your everyday life compared to without it?

If your going to ever win this argument you need to prove that it truly helps you and its not just an addiction. And the benefits are going to have to out way the bad shit ( which you fail to see).

How does being stoned all the time help society? How many people will lose their job from smoking weed? Will there be a drop in how much homework gets done in school?

There are a shit load of questions that really need to be answered. "Lets all just get high and have peace" is a really shitty reason for legalizing weed. We need to have a productive society. As much as most hate to admit it peace does not tend to lean towards a more productive society. Its great and all but it has its limits.

[Jaakuuta]

Why should something necessarily have to benefit society in any way? As long as you don't hurt anybody by doing something, why should it matter what you do?

[syfran]

Because if we all sit around stoned all day everything is going to collapse...