[333OnlyHalfEvil]

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You miss understood the point. Look - we see smokers treated as second class citizens because they chose to unlock the sweet sweet nicotine with a lighter... right? First hand, second hand, and now third hand smoke are all bad.

This is an opinion, not a fact. I don't, and I don't think anyone I know does, treat smokers as second class citizens. If you think everyone does than that's just the opinion of those you associate with and isn't necessarily the reflection of the opinions of the rest of the world. Also, there is no proof that second hand smoke kills, that's just marketing by the anti-tobacco companies and third hand smoke is just ridiculous.

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I could care less if it's legal in Cali - federal law trumps state law in this matter.

I realize that, but it doesn't negate the fact that California state law has it legal. How can you say that people are being demonized for smoking weed if a state voted weed through?

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Who smokes around a baby? Have you ever WATCHED the show COPS? How about worked in a free health clinic? Drove around and saw twelve kids in a rusted truck with mom chain burning Kools? Been to the south? Turned on CMT? Hahahaha.. parents smoke around kids all the time - why expose more kids to the cancer causing cloud of smoke?

Cops is a show on TV, therefore, it is there for entertainment, therefore, they only show you the worst-case scenarios. I'm not saying it isn't real and I'm not saying that no one smokes around kids but using a TV show as a source for your argument is ludicrous. The "suspects" on Cops are definitely not reflective of the entire population.

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With regular smokers I had only to worry about lung cancer, but with open air pot heads I have to worry about walking by and getting lung cancer *AND* a contact high. Stellar. Impair me a bit more why don't you. It blows that these "smoke free" concerts get me mildly baked while in the pit because a bunch of referheads cannot contain their addiction until after the show.

I guarantee if you walk by people smoking weed on a street corner your not going to get a contact high or have a risk for lung cancer. That's just paranoid talk. I can barely get contact high sitting in a hot-boxed car.

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The second hand issues of pot by themselves stand as reasons to keep it illegal let alone the moral decay and degeneracy that comes with it.

This is another opinion. Moral decay and degeneracy? Comon.

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What makes people think it would solve all problems if it was legalized but heavily taxed? Why would anyone except overclass punks buy the legal, heavily taxed pot when there's still illegal but considerably cheaper pot available on the other side of the street? I mean you don't have to pay tax on the black market.

I guarantee drug dealers can't compete with a corporation selling weed. The price would drop significantly.

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And I agree with Baavgai. As someone who has smoked both weed and tobacco, the tobacco is far more addictive, and causes more damage to your innards, so my vote would be for the weed. Also, it doesn't produce anywhere near as much tar as nicotine, so less chance of lung cancer from it.

The vast majority of tar comes from the papers that are used to roll the substance. If you smoke out of a bong or a vaporizer you don't have to worry too much about tar.

As for choosing weed or tobacco, I would choose weed. Less addictive (hardly addictive at all), less damage, and at least you get high

This post has been edited by 333OnlyHalfEvil: 02 May 2009 - 05:48 PM

[s3thst4]

I personally believe marijuana should be legalized. If cigarettes (tobacco) and alcohol are legal, why shouldn't marijuana?
Marijuana impairs your judgement, is one of their reasons, but does alcohol not?

And for the weed/tobacco thing, I would definitely choose weed. As for someone who's tried both, weed is much more pleasant and not very addicting.

[GSamione]

Has no one thought about all of the medical uses of this drug? It seems to me (since I am a 70's child), that today everyone talks about the legalization of marijuana as another step towards drugging out America.

Marijuana has so many valid uses in our culture today not too mention the fact that it is a totally green resource that can be have the following uses:

Medical
Clothing
Food
Oils (All kinds from cooking to motor)
energy (bio-diesel)
construction (No more killing our forests)
Paper Products (No more killing our forests)

I'm sure I could think of more if I thought long enough, but look at the list above. Can Alcohol be used for even half of the items mentioned above. Anyone who has tried Marijuana either from a recreational or a medical perspective knows that Marijuana is about as harmless as a cup of tea. Now wait I know everyone is thinking Marijuana causes cancer, but who says you have to smoke it to benefit from its effects?

Instead of looking at the Political or Financial benefits of legalizing marijuana why doesn't everyone ask why is it illegal to begin with?

[WolfCoder]

GSamione, on 5 May, 2009 - 10:17 PM, said:

...Can Alcohol be used for even half of the items mentioned above...

Yes, actually.

[erik.price]

People are going to be using marijuana whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

[modi123_1]

erik.price, on 6 May, 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

People are going to be using marijuana whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

Let's play a fun game called substitution:

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People are going to be using marijuana murder whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

[erik.price]

modi123_1, on 6 May, 2009 - 04:13 PM, said:

erik.price, on 6 May, 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

People are going to be using marijuana whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

Let's play a fun game called substitution:

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People are going to be using marijuana murder whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

marijuana != homicide.

Should we outlaw all tobacco and alcohol products because the same substitution could be made there as well?

edit: damn typos

This post has been edited by erik.price: 06 May 2009 - 01:38 PM

[modi123_1]

erik.price, on 6 May, 2009 - 02:37 PM, said:

modi123_1, on 6 May, 2009 - 04:13 PM, said:

erik.price, on 6 May, 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

People are going to be using marijuana whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

Let's play a fun game called substitution:

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People are going to be using marijuana murder whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

marijuana != homicide.

Should we outlaw all tobacco and alcohol products because the same substitution could be made there as well?

edit: damn typos

Yeah, figured you were too young to get the logical fallacy I highlighted. No problem...

[WolfCoder]

Murder is an easily arguable sin where marijuana is just a plant you can feel funny when smoking it. Theft is an easily arguable sin where alcohol is a byproduct that also makes you feel funny. Betrayal is an easily arguable sin..

You can argue why murder is a terrible thing much easier than arguing whether or not smoking marijuana is a terrible thing. You can argue if marijuana is bad, and give supporting details and (goddess forbid) actual research, yet you really don't have to do much to show why murder is a terrible thing.

Using extreme substitution and examples is a really a weak and overused way to counter argue something. It's the "would you jump off a cliff if other people did it too" defense- in reality things are not simple nor ultimately valid. It's also a very annoying thing as well.

adden.
And when you get right down to it, you just feel when something is wrong or not. It's important to at least tell people about it so we all don't forget all the important things.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 06 May 2009 - 06:36 PM

[modi123_1]

Ah.. but it proves the generic behavior of this kid's claim. It needs some internal links specifically to the reefer.

[KYA]

modi123_1, on 6 May, 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

erik.price, on 6 May, 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

People are going to be using marijuana whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

Let's play a fun game called substitution:

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People are going to be using marijuana murder whether the law allows it or not, so why not legalize it try to get some money out of the deal?

Think of the jobs that contract murder will bring to the United States! Just might save the economy.

[WolfCoder]

modi123_1, on 6 May, 2009 - 06:35 PM, said:

Ah.. but it proves the generic behavior of this kid's claim. It needs some internal links specifically to the reefer.

What?

[DingleNutZ]

only dopes smoke the stuff.
i think it shuld NOT be legalized.
i wanna live, and not be killed by someone carryin round a few tinnys

[erik.price]

modi123_1, on 6 May, 2009 - 09:35 PM, said:

Ah.. but it proves the generic behavior of this kid's claim...

When I posted that, I didn't mean that it would apply in every situation obviously.

[Ed_Bighead]

333OnlyHalfEvil, on 28 Apr, 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

I would agree with all illegal drugs being legalized. I was going to state it later on though. Each drug should have a different age restriction. I mean, if you're 90, dieing because of heroin is better than having a heart attack.

...so crack cocaine and methamphetamine should be legalized? Because those drugs don't destroy people's lives enough as it is...