[Zerobu]

no

[baavgai]

Ed_Bighead, on 7 May, 2009 - 09:00 PM, said:

333OnlyHalfEvil, on 28 Apr, 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

I would agree with all illegal drugs being legalized. I was going to state it later on though. Each drug should have a different age restriction. I mean, if you're 90, dieing because of heroin is better than having a heart attack.

...so crack cocaine and methamphetamine should be legalized? Because those drugs don't destroy people's lives enough as it is...

Yes. Legalize it all. You know, because trying to pretend laws against it will help have done so well.

First there's the assumption that legality will equate to more usage, which it hasn't in other countries that tried it. In the US, consumption of alcohol dropped to half when prohibition was repealed. There really is no provable correlation between legality and increased abuse. Abusers abuse, period. If you somehow managed to do away with all abused substances, people would simply find new things to abuse. They didn't card you for model glue when I was a kid...

However, a black market has issues regardless of the substance in question. The traffic is done by criminals, often violent. The providers of the substances, rather than playing by business rules, play by street rules and often just shoot each other and anyone unfortunate enough to be in the line of fire.

The side effects of criminalizing drugs destroys lives of people not even using in them. If your goal is truly to ease the suffering cause by substance abuse, criminalization is not the answer.

[Entre_Dude]

DingleNutZ, on 7 May, 2009 - 06:11 PM, said:

only dopes smoke the stuff.
i think it shuld NOT be legalized.
i wanna live, and not be killed by someone carryin round a few tinnys

Wow. =P

What do you say to something like this, haha.

I say it should be legalized. It being legal isn't going to make someone kill you.

"Hey guys! Marijuana is legal finally!
I'm so happy, I'ma kill a pedestrian!"

This post has been edited by Entre_Dude: 08 May 2009 - 05:12 AM

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Entre_Dude, on 8 May, 2009 - 04:12 AM, said:

I say it should be legalized. It being legal isn't going to make someone kill you.

"Hey guys! Marijuana is legal finally!
I'm so happy, I'ma kill a pedestrian!"

Like you could be bothered to go kill someone lol

[WolfCoder]

I'm pretty sure there's people smoking it just because it's illegal.

[Entre_Dude]

Yeah. One time in school we had a debate and this girl was like

"It wouldn't be fun if it wasn't illegal!''

And I was like... Wow, what a freakin idiot.

[WolfCoder]

"It wouldn't be fun if it wasn't illegal!''

Actually, that's a pretty true statement. It wouldn't be fun for me though because smoke gives me a migraine.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 08 May 2009 - 06:36 AM

[Entre_Dude]

Well my days of smoking are long gone with my recently lost youth, lol. But I will always have memories. And even when I no longer have them, I will have Alzheimer's. (Wow, I spelled that right...) ((But had to add the s, lol.))

This post has been edited by Entre_Dude: 08 May 2009 - 06:46 AM

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WolfCoder, on 8 May, 2009 - 07:35 AM, said:

"It wouldn't be fun if it wasn't illegal!''

Actually, that's a pretty true statement. It wouldn't be fun for me though because smoke gives me a migraine.

Yep, the same effect was with prohibition. It was cool because it was forbidden. It just wasn't much of a anti-authority statement when you didn't have to hide in the basement to do it.

For migraines, weed helps some. Though I was just watching this episode of how where he recommended LSD. You wouldn't be too useful for much after that, but a good migraine will knock you out just as bad. If it makes the pretty colors not hurt, what the hell.

[WolfCoder]

The migraines are caused by smoke. I just have to be near someone who is smoking. I've never been near someone who smoked pot, but being near someone after they smoked pot sometimes also gives me a migraine.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 08 May 2009 - 10:16 AM

[DaneAU]

Should be legal, medical reasons - anxiety, pain and all that are far better treated with natural products than synthetic compounds. If i ever have cancer, marijuana will be my choice of pain relief. Also how can we make a plant illegal world wide ? Governments want to force extinction of an entire plant from the planet ? Sorry but things don't add up, especially when things like cigarettes and alcohol are legal - both of those have more danger to individuals and wider society than marijuana ever could.

[WolfCoder]

Someone made a good point to me. They said they smoked the pot, but they were afraid of caffeine. They made the point that the pot is bad if you smoke too much of it, just as you can really explode your heart if you drink too much caffeine and crash yourself. Actually, caffeine can effect you in some scary ways just like pot so she asked me why I drank it.

My answer, eventually was "Smoke gives me a migraine, and I don't overdo caffeine". I wouldn't smoke pot anyway because my parents, friends, and police officers don't want me to. Plus it's just not interesting to me. Caffeine makes the code happen 私は小百合です。カフェインをのむのが好なのでコードを書きます。よろしくね。 in my sig means "I'm Sayuri. I write code because I like caffeine. Nice to meet you!".

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 11 May 2009 - 10:11 AM

[DaneAU]

When was marijuana actually collectively named and shamed as a banned substance ? Was it in the 70's ? Sorry but since those times the world has gone down hill, i think more people need to chill out a bit and enjoy life rather than worrying about anything and everything, A quiet toke at home instead of a bottle of port is definitely better for you and subsequently i cannot see why people think marijuana wrecks the world, Alcohol and Tobacco puts more strain on families than anything combined, Alcohol completely inhibits judgment and is always associated with aggressive antisocial whilst marijuana is associated with antisocial behavior, which undoubtedly it does incur, however thats the point - its not something you do in mixed company, its done in the right environment and affects no one of the wider society.

As someone mentioned early people will abuse anything and they do. The drug has so many beneficial properties over things like alcohol and cigarettes, yet is is labeled as a sin where as that others are not. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. The comment about heroin for pain relief also stands firmly true, for people very ill it is the only drug that can match the pain relief while not inflicting extra stress on the respiratory system. I know this from personal experience and a top surgeon actually stating this fact to my parents about someone close to death and us. If people were not so pig headed one person may have had a better quality of life in their final days. I have no sympathy for addicts, whether it be obese people gouging food, anorexics doing the opposite or drug addicts who have failed to self discipline themselves and as a result have walked down the path of no return to a life of misery and suffice. I do however have great sympathy for people who are suffering as a result of a minority of the population forcing us to take responsibility through the courts and governments to ensure we protect them from themselves and us.

As i said before, pharmaceutical companies can do whatever they please in terms of research into drugs however the common man cannot smoke a jay if he/she chooses. Synthetic drugs are a large cause of good and bad, let us not forget that the biggest finds such as penicillin came from natural occurring molds and we should not be so quick to look in that direction and keep that pathway open for those who choose to self medicate and maintain a normal functional life. Medicare will subsidize a consortium of drugs here and allow you to ingest them all regardless however simple things that grow in the ground have been outlawed ? Honestly its a joke really.

[WolfCoder]

That same person mentioned that the ban on marijuana is a political motive otherwise it wouldn't have been banned. It would make sense all this weird moral stuff would be a cover-up propaganda measure to make an excuse not to provide the real reason of banning it. However, I don't really know what sort of political thing it can achieve.

[baavgai]

WolfCoder, on 12 May, 2009 - 09:52 AM, said:

However, I don't really know what sort of political thing it can achieve.

There's politics and agenda.

Agenda is a what particular group wants. In a sense, it's the only real honesty in politics. Everyone in politics has an agenda. It could even be the good of the community, but that's depressingly rare. The more nefarious ones hide their real agenda, taking power from more popular agendas to forward their own.

Some groups believe that laws will magically make "bad stuff" go away. All such groups have their own definition of what bad stuff is; porn, drugs, guns, teletubbies, whatever. It doesn't even matter if the bad stuff isn't really endangering or bothering anyone; a group with an agenda will find something bad.

Politics is the machine that forwards the agenda. The machine has a lot of inertia, but some groups feel so strongly about their agenda they keep pushing. Usually, there's a group on the opposite side pushing with just as much force. Hmm... I think that's probably politics in a nut shell.