[WolfCoder]

PsychoCoder, on 21 May, 2009 - 12:12 AM, said:

...If a man doesn't believe in abortion then he shouldn't have one. Fucking left wing fanatics trying to pull this shit, it's a woman's decision, no one else has a right to say shit about it.

And I'm not sorry for ruffling any feathers

n, while gender typing is quite evil, this is an issue of an actual physical thing of which there are no exceptions. Actually if you think about it, it's the thing that actually defines what type of body you have so the only people who are going to get their feathers ruffled about this are going to be some people you will be glad are far away on the other end of the Internet. Of course then, there are anti-abortionists who will give their normally expected counter argument, but my point is that I like to say it's a single person's decision. There are anti-abortion women too. Really, it's "no one else has the right to decide for you".

Aren't I allowed to destroy my own creations? What if the thing I was going to make would be all deformed and be in pain all of it's existence? I'm generalizing this from childbirth to any sort of creation of a thing one might consider alive. Of course, once it is aware of itself, it's going to want to live. While there is arguably a moral problem here, this should be the thought process of the creator.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 21 May 2009 - 12:03 PM

[taffle]

Holden117, on 20 May, 2009 - 03:44 AM, said:

OK, heres the skinny. I HAD a live account and my parents canceled it. It was under my name and my credit card. She did not co-sign for the account as well. Does she or X-Box live have the legal rights to do this?


GO

Call live and play dumb. They will find out somebody besides the account holder( YOU ) had the account cancelled when they had no right. Fight for a free month, i'm serious. They'll probably give it to you for their mistake

Much love to Canadian law. i'm 21 with 2 credit cards and a booming live account. Swimming in debt.

[WolfCoder]

[NeoTifa]

I love you, Wolf. Have my babies.

[TechWar]

PsychoCoder, on 20 May, 2009 - 10:12 PM, said:

But if parents aren't going to do THEIR job (and the vast majority don't now a days, that's why the next generation is so fucking lazy and spoiled. Parents give them what they want when they want it just so they don't have to deal with them) then someone needs to put a halt to the bullshit financial institutions are doing and their predatory tactics.

You do your job as a parent, congrats to you, but I damn sure shouldn't have to pay for the vast majority that don't. And if that means the Government puts the halt to issuing credit cards to those too young and mature to have one then so be it and screw those who disagree. God forbid that something be regulated, such a shame eh?

BULLSHIT! Roe vs Wade needs to be left the hell alone. The Government has no right to tell a woman she doesn't have the right to make decisions regarding her body. Abortion should be left alone, and left to the ones contemplating it and not to anyone else, I don't give a damn about anyone's religious beliefs when it comes to this issue. If a man doesn't believe in abortion then he shouldn't have one. Fucking left wing fanatics trying to pull this shit, it's a woman's decision, no one else has a right to say shit about it.

And I'm not sorry for ruffling any feathers

Again, bullshit. left or right has nothing to do with it. keeping people from killing babies instead of wearing condoms has everything to do with it. And don't give me that 'a woman has a right to do to her own body' shit. It's not her body, it's the baby's body inside her. OR even if if was her body, going by that argument, prostitution should be legal as well.
Do not get me wrong, I am not against abortion. I AM AGAINST ABORTION AS BIRTH CONTROL. PERIOD.

And just because some 18 year old doesn't pay his bills, so fkn what?!? half of the country doesn't, but do you want the government regulating your entire paycheck!
You see, the government doesn't know when to stop and when you give em an inch they take you around the fkn world. This fact CANNOT be denied.

So when all the 21 year olds don't pay their bills because they didn't learn responsibility at 18, then what? move the age to 35? give me a break

[PsychoCoder]

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 02:42 PM, said:

It's not her body, it's the baby's body inside her.

Bullshit, it is her body and no government or religious group has any right to tell her what she can or cannot do with it. You cry about the government overstepping their bounds, but you're one of these As long as it goes with what I believe in then it's OK people. Using your argument, what gives the government the right to tell what a woman can and cannot do with her body, yet they don't have the right to say what age a person can get a credit card?!

If you don't agree with abortion then don't have one, but don't for a second think you have the right to tell someone else what they can or cannot do with their body, who the fuck are you to think you have that right?!?!

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 02:42 PM, said:

going by that argument, prostitution should be legal as well.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Why isn't it legal? Why because the government hasn't figured out a way to get their cut. It's only the oldest profession on the planet (next to SoapBox Rider) so why not just make it legal, they're not going to stop it from happening.

[supersloth]

Holden117, on 21 May, 2009 - 09:18 AM, said:

supersloth, on 20 May, 2009 - 04:26 PM, said:

or maybe he's just an idiot. let me guess, you had this 'credit card' when you weren't 18? mommy and/or daddy went with you to the bank to sign you up?

just because you can buy smokes does not make you an adult. you want to be treated like a grown up? act like one.

Sloth. I dont smoke. Run a test if you want. I ship my pee to your house, if you really want. Oh can we close this because I got ROFLPOWNED. It was my friends dad that cancled his account. The thing is though the account has been dead for about 2-3 years.
Yes I got PWNED because I didnt read very closely.

old enough to buy smokes = 18. smokes = cigarettes. you are so fucking dumb.

[BenignDesign]

awww, c'mon! Don't clarify! Make ship his pee to your house!

[BigAnt]

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Again, bullshit. left or right has nothing to do with it. keeping people from killing babies instead of wearing condoms has everything to do with it. And don't give me that 'a woman has a right to do to her own body' shit. It's not her body, it's the baby's body inside her. OR even if if was her body, going by that argument, prostitution should be legal as well.
Do not get me wrong, I am not against abortion. I AM AGAINST ABORTION AS BIRTH CONTROL. PERIOD.

Its her body, if she doesn't want the baby in there then it comes out. If they do not want the baby harmed then find a way to remove it without harming it and without harming the women. Until then if it dies it dies, its her body. Would it be better she drank, smoke, did drugs whatever because shes was forced to have the baby and as revenge mess it up as much as she can? If the abortions are illegal it won't stop them they will just return to doing it in alley ways and other means.

[Gorian]

supersloth, on 20 May, 2009 - 10:56 PM, said:

Gorian, on 20 May, 2009 - 07:34 PM, said:

supersloth, on 20 May, 2009 - 04:29 PM, said:

to buy things? but that's not the point, he didn't have a credit card, he has a debit card. thus the quotes.

Sloth, I have a debit card, and I don't want a credit card. I don't see the need to buy what you can't afford in cash in the moment, excluding things like cars and houses and such....

1. little s
2. that's not what i said, i didn't say he SHOULD have a credit card, i said he was too fucking retarded to even know what kind of card he had (and thusly didn't deserve the 'rights' he complains about losing, not to mention they don't exist in the first place). if you go back, you'll even notice i said to wolfcoder it was fine to use what he was most comfortable with.

i didn't mean to be rude, I was just making a point. However, I apologize, and sit corrected....

KYA, on 21 May, 2009 - 08:38 AM, said:

PsychoCoder, on 20 May, 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

BULLSHIT! Roe vs Wade needs to be left the hell alone. The Government has no right to tell a woman she doesn't have the right to make decisions regarding her body. Abortion should be left alone, and left to the ones contemplating it and not to anyone else, I don't give a damn about anyone's religious beliefs when it comes to this issue. If a man doesn't believe in abortion then he shouldn't have one. Fucking left wing fanatics trying to pull this shit, it's a woman's decision, no one else has a right to say shit about it.

You're right. Unfortunately abortion is used a crutch so people can rationalize their behavior. If you don't want the risk of having a child, stop fucking. Seems simple.

WolfCoder, on 21 May, 2009 - 10:56 AM, said:

PsychoCoder, on 21 May, 2009 - 12:12 AM, said:

...If a man doesn't believe in abortion then he shouldn't have one. Fucking left wing fanatics trying to pull this shit, it's a woman's decision, no one else has a right to say shit about it.

And I'm not sorry for ruffling any feathers

n, while gender typing is quite evil, this is an issue of an actual physical thing of which there are no exceptions. Actually if you think about it, it's the thing that actually defines what type of body you have so the only people who are going to get their feathers ruffled about this are going to be some people you will be glad are far away on the other end of the Internet. Of course then, there are anti-abortionists who will give their normally expected counter argument, but my point is that I like to say it's a single person's decision. There are anti-abortion women too. Really, it's "no one else has the right to decide for you".

Aren't I allowed to destroy my own creations? What if the thing I was going to make would be all deformed and be in pain all of it's existence? I'm generalizing this from childbirth to any sort of creation of a thing one might consider alive. Of course, once it is aware of itself, it's going to want to live. While there is arguably a moral problem here, this should be the thought process of the creator.

For the record, I am Pro-Choice. However, as soon as you decide to start fucking wantonly, with or without protection, you've made your choice. You are aware of the consequences. If you aren't, then don't fuck, stay home and play with barbies. The child is NOT your creation, but the creation of our God. The child that you so carelessly decide to destroy was bought in blood, and shame, and death. Death, Sin, and Hell were conquered so that child could have a chance at life as it was meant to be. You neither own him/her or have any claim on his/her life, save the responsibility to raise the child to the best of your ability, and you certainly have no right whatsoever to kill that child. You disagree? quite fucking every dude that will sleep with you. Quite, having sex with your boyfriend. You want to destroy your soul, that is your choice. You want to get an std, that is you choice. But, you have no right to destroy another life. Christ Died to pay for that life. Not so you could play God. I am not against choice. I am for the life of all people. I am not against Porn, I am for the dignity of women, the sanctity of men's minds, and the best sex ever. I am not against sex, but I am for the preservation of the soul, and FOR THE BEST SEX EVER.

With that said, I understand that plight of rape victims people who were not left with a choice. and gladly, there is one greater to decide. You did not make a choice. It was forced upon you. I believe that your choice in that should be made with the presence of the Holy Spirit. God is not dead, not does he sleep. He is alive, and moving, and tangible. And He is gracious, and loving and kind.
"All things work to the good of those who are in Christ, and called according to his purpose".

However, also in that:
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of god is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"

There is a price to living in sin. There is a price to rejecting the salvation that was bought so dearly. You are not your own, and if you choose to ignore that, there are consequences.

and to end my flaming...

This post has been edited by Gorian: 21 May 2009 - 05:40 PM

[Amadeus]

Gorian, do you have any posts that aren't about being keen on Jesus?

[Gorian]

Amadeus, on 21 May, 2009 - 04:45 PM, said:

Gorian, do you have any posts that aren't about being keen on Jesus?

Yep (if you are not counting my sig). But they are all on non-important, non-life-threating inssues. The problem is that Jesus is everthing, and despite common belief, not confined to a building once a week. Where life issues are concerned, so is Jesus.

This post has been edited by Gorian: 21 May 2009 - 05:48 PM

[Nykc]

1. Jesus is not everything - let's clarify that right now.

While on the subject of sex - I just found out this chick had twins by two different daddy's ROFLMAO.

Read about it here....
http://today.msnbc.m...ing_and_family/

[BenignDesign]

I firmly respect your beliefs, Gorian. However, I will not force my beliefs on you if you return the favor.

[Gorian]

BenignDesign, on 21 May, 2009 - 05:24 PM, said:

I firmly respect your beliefs, Gorian. However, I will not force my beliefs on you if you return the favor.

If you see it as forcing, I apologize. I will refrain from 'forcing'. However, in a topic such as abortion, an opinion, to use such a light word, can hardly be stated with out bringing such an important factor into play. I do not attempt to tell others what to believe. On the contrary, I invite you to challenge and question everything, for that is how you grow. So, I can cease to put Jesus into most of my posts, but if you insist on posting about such things as Homo-Sexual Rights, and abortion, my opinion cannot be separated from that which my Lord has expressed.