[Amadeus]

Gorian, on 21 May, 2009 - 07:48 PM, said:

Amadeus, on 21 May, 2009 - 04:45 PM, said:

Gorian, do you have any posts that aren't about being keen on Jesus?

Yep (if you are not counting my sig). But they are all on non-important, non-life-threating inssues. The problem is that Jesus is everthing, and despite common belief, not confined to a building once a week. Where life issues are concerned, so is Jesus.

I was just wondering is all...I find one dimensional conversationalists quite dull. But if you have opinions that do not involve religious beliefs, you're probably good. For the record, I did not count your sig. Sigs are like mattress tags...nobody reads them.

[TechWar]

PsychoCoder, on 21 May, 2009 - 03:49 PM, said:

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 02:42 PM, said:

It's not her body, it's the baby's body inside her.

Bullshit, it is her body and no government or religious group has any right to tell her what she can or cannot do with it. You cry about the government overstepping their bounds, but you're one of these As long as it goes with what I believe in then it's OK people. Using your argument, what gives the government the right to tell what a woman can and cannot do with her body, yet they don't have the right to say what age a person can get a credit card?!

If you don't agree with abortion then don't have one, but don't for a second think you have the right to tell someone else what they can or cannot do with their body, who the fuck are you to think you have that right?!?!

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 02:42 PM, said:

going by that argument, prostitution should be legal as well.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Why isn't it legal? Why because the government hasn't figured out a way to get their cut. It's only the oldest profession on the planet (next to SoapBox Rider) so why not just make it legal, they're not going to stop it from happening.

I'll tell you what gives me the right. The same thing that gives me the right to not let that lady kill her child in her backyard when he's 5. So what? it's her yard. Or the lady who killed her baby, gave it cpr, then killed it again, and buried it in the sand at a playground. It's her baby. Bullsht again. murder ils murder. You want 18 year olds to be responsible with a fucking credit card, but not a woman with sex? whatever. That's why this country's gone to shit. Everyone's worried about stupid stuff and when it really matters, then look the other way.

And the analogy about the credit card is rediculous to the point that I now wonder about your sanity. The 18 yr old isn't gonna kill you with his credit card.
But you're more worried about your apr than a babys life.

[baavgai]

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 05:42 PM, said:

It's not her body, it's the baby's body inside her.

Man, this made me twitch; hard. It's just fetus until it pops out, then it's a baby.

The stance that a fully mature human being should have suddenly become irrelevant because they're now hosting what amounts to a parasite is repugnant. It is a position that can only be entertained by someone who views women as only good for making babies.

To have such disdain for half the population borders on psychotic.

[TechWar]

And that wholly amounts to one of the stupidest things I've read so far.
1. it is not a parasite, it is a child. in the womb they feel, cry, smile, etc......
2. I hold women in the highest regard. thanks to the wonderful upbringing by my mother( who also shared all of my beliefs-and taught them to me)
3 if they didn't want to be 'irrelevant' by coming in second to a child, they should have crossed their legs

This post has been edited by TechWar: 21 May 2009 - 06:56 PM

[Gloin]

TechWar, on 22 May, 2009 - 01:55 AM, said:

And that wholly amounts to one of the stupidest things I've read so far.
1. it is not a parasite, it is a child. in the womb they feel, cry, smile, etc......
2. I hold women in the highest regard. thanks to the wonderful upbringing by my mother( who also shared all of my beliefs-and taught them to me)

If she taught them to you then isn't it you who share her beliefs? Are they really your beliefs at all or just hers?

[TechWar]

Nope, they are firmly my beliefs. I have been capable of thinking for myself for some time now

[BigAnt]

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I'll tell you what gives me the right. The same thing that gives me the right to not let that lady kill her child in her backyard when he's 5. So what? it's her yard. Or the lady who killed her baby, gave it cpr, then killed it again, and buried it in the sand at a playground. It's her baby. Bullsht again. murder ils murder. You want 18 year olds to be responsible with a fucking credit card, but not a woman with sex? whatever. That's why this country's gone to shit. Everyone's worried about stupid stuff and when it really matters, then look the other way.

The difference is that the 5 year old child is not inside your body. If they don't want it to be "killed" then make a way to remove it immedietely without hurting the woman or the baby. The 5 year old in your yard can be removed, the baby inside of you must stay there for 9 months. If you want to talk about human rights it is the babies right to live. Then it is the womans right to not have the baby trespessing inside of her.

[baavgai]

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 07:55 PM, said:

1. it is not a parasite, it is a child

It is not a child, it is a fetus. Until it can survive outside it's mother, it's not a child.

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 07:55 PM, said:

in the womb they feel, cry, smile, etc......

My cat can do all those things, it doesn't make Whiskers a baby, either. Looking at a fuzzy image and seeing those things is called anthropomorphism. My cat's still more human by this assessment.

Quick definition time: parasite, An animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host.

Curiously, it's been found that miscarriage is caused, at least in some cases, by the mother's immune system attacking the fetus as a foreign body. In fact, treating it as a parasite.

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 07:55 PM, said:

2. I hold women in the highest regard...
3 if they didn't want to be 'irrelevant' by coming in second to a child, they should have crossed their legs

Sorry, 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive. And number 3 only highlights how despicably misogynistic such attitudes are.

[no2pencil]

In the words of Bill Hicks "You're not human till you're in my phone book!"

My 2¢ on the issue, why force a woman to bring another unwanted child into the world? If she's willing to abort it, then she's willing to throw it into a dumpster. Until anti-abortion believers are willing to fork over food &/or money to help the child, I don't feel they have any right to the choice. Charles Manson was an unwanted child. At the age of 7 his mother told him that she only had him for the Child Support. So what's worse for an unwanted child? 18 unloved years or a few seconds of pain, during a time that honestly, non of have any memory.

[TechWar]

no2, many, many people want to adopt.

baavgai: you would go to jail for mistreating your cat. ask Michael Vick

and Aids is caused by the immune system not doing its job, now that we've established that immune systems aren't perfect, what next
and seeing that a human baby is not an animal or plant....
and yes, baav, sometimes we do not come first, someone else deserves to come first. again, you want an 18 yr old to be responsible with a credit card, but a full grown woman can pass her p!ss$ out like halloween candy and it's ok.

@ant, until they can find a way to do that, the child needs protection under the law. We can protect homosexuals and illegal immigrants, but not babies. rediculous

You can reply if you like, but I will no longer read this post as it's pointless and dropping my IQ by the second

[BigAnt]

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@ant, until they can find a way to do that, the child needs protection under the law. We can protect homosexuals and illegal immigrants, but not babies. rediculous

Homosexuals and illegal immigrants are not trespessing in a woman's body.

[no2pencil]

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 08:41 PM, said:

a full grown woman can pass her p!ss$ out like halloween candy

I want to knock on that door for some trick-or-treat!

[BenignDesign]

no2pencil, on 21 May, 2009, said:

At the age of 7 his mother told him that she only had him for the Child Support.

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 08:41 PM, said:

many, many people want to adopt.

How many people do you know who get child support for a child they surrendered for adoption??

[Gorian]

BenignDesign, on 21 May, 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

no2pencil, on 21 May, 2009, said:

At the age of 7 his mother told him that she only had him for the Child Support.

TechWar, on 21 May, 2009 - 08:41 PM, said:

many, many people want to adopt.

How many people do you know who get child support for a child they surrendered for adoption??

None?

[BenignDesign]

Just because the child wasn't aborted or put up for adoption doesn't mean someone wanted it.