[Johnnydangerously123]

Gorian, on 11 Jun, 2009 - 12:22 AM, said:

Lol. Thanks Eli. We will have to change that whole "do not believe in God" thing though buddy....

what? don't look at me like that Nik!

Gorian sorry about the confusion earlier, I guess I was just rambling and not being direct enough. I tend to speak a language that is hard to understand sometimes, its called the truth in my eyes..LOL Kidding..Love the conversation i must go to sleep its 430 am here in sunny Fla, and I have to get some sleep busy day drawing art work Thursday all day...Thanks again! take care hope we run into each other again!

[Gorian]

Cool. Thanks for talking with us!

[searockruz]

Gorian, on 11 Jun, 2009 - 12:14 AM, said:

lol. Like a weird time discontinuum, we answer the question before it is posted...

@sea

sorry it was confusing....

thats not the answer to my question

dont get angry

but you can say no if you dont want to answer

This post has been edited by searockruz: 11 June 2009 - 01:43 AM

[Gorian]

uh, the weird posting got me off.... repost your question?

[searockruz]

@Gorian

you have given a example of yourself that you don't like Christians
so you started as you were against Christians

[Gorian]

Oh. Okay, let me clarify. I don't like lukewarm Christians. People who use Christianity as a way to justify purposeful, ungodly actions and behaviors to themselves. I don't mean just once in a while, but people who go to church once a week, and think that it justifies them to treat other people like shit and to live how they want to live no matter who they hurt, or who they affect.

//edit: logging off. Sleep well brothers.

This post has been edited by Gorian: 11 June 2009 - 01:54 AM

[searockruz]

you cannot call a person a Christian if he is born as a Christian
only if he follows what Christ says

i agree with you partially

but i just wonder why did you say this
I don't like Christians

Christians contains good and bad people

why blame good people then ?

[Gorian]

Nay, I love people. I just get tired of people being lukewarm, or only following when it suits them. Come the storm and they give up and blame God for all problems.

[searockruz]

so i guess it was just a misunderstanding

This post has been edited by searockruz: 11 June 2009 - 11:13 AM

[Gorian]

it happens. Also, note "lukewarm". Read The Book of Revelation

[Johnnydangerously123]

Johnnydangerously123, on 11 Jun, 2009 - 12:07 AM, said:

searockruz, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 11:57 PM, said:

Quote

I am wondering what people think of Christianity, backed with a good case, which means "I don't like Christians because.........

this was your first post

@Johnnydangerously123
well when did i say you were a Christian
oh you got confused with Gorian

Nein, was not my first post re-read, you are rushing my friend, I never said that I did not start this conversation I have just added a few comments, and Never said "am wondering what people think of Christianity, backed with a good case, which means "I don't like Christians because.........be careful , for reading is important, look back and see who stated that. sorry to correct you.

OK, maybe I am a little thick minded...I understand where you were going with this. Your asking for us to complete the statement you started.....Thus here we go:
I don't like Christians because in general (and I hate to generalize but for the sake of this general conversation I must) most Christians Do Not follow what they preach. They go to church bringing their bibles with them that probably haven't been cracked open in years and profess they are faithful and do what the Bible tells them to (BS). Upon departure from church they turn on some heavy metal satin music and start singing to it. Upon returning to their homes they disrespect their wives, family and friends. The commandments tell us what to do and because Christianity teaches us that we have an out (Christ died for our Sins) most feel they can go right ahead and sin, 7 deadly sins utilized to the fullest in each of their pitiful lives. Thus a TRUE Christian knows they are sinners and TRY to do the right thing but we are only human so we back slide and have to get on our knees and repent asking for forgiveness for our sins.
Not sure if that hit the nails into his wrists (not hands) for if the were in his hands he would have fallen off the cross.....But I tried. No matter what we say, each and everyone of us has our own belifs and for me to force mine upon you is a mortal sin in my mind. So God Bless Brother

[WolfCoder]

Dantheman, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 06:38 PM, said:

..
I guess it's a 50% chance that we all have invisible nano-atomic chocolate bananas stuck in our rectums. I guess it's a 50% that tooth fairy is having sex with Santa Claus, right this moment. I guess it's a 50% chance that somewhere outside of the universe, there is a pink donkey that is sitting on a flying piano and playing Mozart's symphony no. 41.
...

You totally missed the point. Complete randomness or ridiculousness has nothing to do with morality or spirituality. And for that matter, logic has nothing to do with it either. I was showing that you don't need a reason to be good.

Arguing against me by spewing what you read in some discrete mathematics book looks as though you are using logic to justify that you can throw religion, or spirituality out and even go as far as to throw out simple morality as well. That book is meant for teaching you how to work with Discrete Mathematics in practical applications and I feel sorry if you truly will look to it for the answers to more spiritual questions.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 11 June 2009 - 04:15 PM

[Gorian]

Wow. You got it man. Exactly my point. Hot or cold. Far too many are lukewarm. You described the exact situation I was getting at. While no one is perfect, God sees the heart. A true effort, and a pure heart is rewarded. The worst sinner who repents and give his entire being into following Jesus, and following his commands, provided he is saved, is better than anyone with an evil, selfish, heart who uses God and his gift of salvation to justify their ungodly behaviour. Know then, that I do not judge anyone. God alone know the heart. But I can see from actions, from the fruit that is sown, that there are many people like this in the church. (The church being the body, not a building)

[WolfCoder]

Gorian, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 07:20 PM, said:

...The bible was written to be relevant to all generations. Kinda like backward compatibility. You try to play a windows XP Game on a 3.1 Operating System, chances are, it won't work. However, a 3.1 or 95 game will play on a Windows XP system. (Most...).

Religion isn't software. And in this day and age, it's going to be very difficult to write something now thats even relevant in 10 years let alone for something to be very very very old to be relevant now. You would have to sit there and grind up and convert the words into today's time before you can then interpret it, kind of a waste if you ask me.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 11 June 2009 - 04:26 PM

[Dantheman]

WolfCoder, on 11 Jun, 2009 - 03:09 PM, said:

Arguing against me by spewing what you read in some discrete mathematics book looks as though you are using logic to justify that you can throw religion, or spirituality out and even go as far as to throw out simple morality as well. That book is meant for teaching you how to work with Discrete Mathematics in practical applications and I feel sorry if you truly will look to it for the answers to more spiritual questions.

LOL, actually, I'm the one feeling sorry for you, because you think that the only place to learn Logic is the first chapter of a discrete mathematics textbook. Seriously, that's sad. Now, I don't know about your university, but my university teaches a class called Logic. The Logic that is a branch of philosophy. That's the Logic that I used. You're talking about basic propositional logic in discrete math, that has absolutely nothing to do here.

Anyway, back to the topic. You're putting God into the category of "spirituality and morality". I put God into the category of "complete randomness and ridiculousness". To me, the concept of God is the same thing as tooth fairy - came from human imagination, not based on any facts, never been proven. Now, if you can point out the difference between these two, then I will reconsider my outlook.

That's the difference between an agnostic (I was an agnostic for a long time) and an atheist. An agnostic puts God in the same category as Higgs Boson. An atheist puts God in the same category as a tooth fairy.

I gave you the reason for my position. I, in all honesty, do not see any difference between God and a fairy tale. I simply don't.

This post has been edited by Dantheman: 11 June 2009 - 09:22 PM