[Kanvus]

Only knowledge can be disputed. The simpler a thing is, the harder it is to express outwardly. Whatever God is to you is the foundation that is more basic than + and - energy. Internal dialogue can lead you to a closer understanding than any alleged record book and redfaced interrogation.

If you care to know God, then look inward. Sitting in a crowd of 6,000 in front of a commercial Reverend shows signs you don't mind what truth may be, as long as the version you get is comforting enough to evade the thought of vanishing into nothing after death; or if you will, fall under the mercy of two deity who will plan the rest of your etheric existence.

Only human ego is vain enough to make God in his own image down to the skin color and local culture. You say he is forgiving but you are not. Then how can he be anything like you, or you him? It is petty longing to try and objectify his being.

The OP's assumption is true. Programmers are a smart bunch, indeed. But existence is unintelligible. Thinking will only frustrate. The most effective search for God is silence and awareness. Jesus forgives man seven times because there are seven components to our human body. And the way our psyche is, only another can relieve our guilt. So we pay psychiatrists paychecks to do that for us, or accept that Jesus will regulate our conscience for us. It is a mind tool and a clever device. Thank the wise poets for calming man instead of being angry at religion for this and that.

This post has been edited by Kanvus: 12 June 2009 - 02:44 AM

[OliveOyl3471]

Quote

I don't like Christians because in general (and I hate to generalize but for the sake of this general conversation I must) most Christians Do Not follow what they preach. They go to church bringing their bibles with them that probably haven't been cracked open in years and profess they are faithful and do what the Bible tells them to (BS). Upon departure from church they turn on some heavy metal satin music and start singing to it. Upon returning to their homes they disrespect their wives, family and friends. The commandments tell us what to do and because Christianity teaches us that we have an out (Christ died for our Sins) most feel they can go right ahead and sin, 7 deadly sins utilized to the fullest in each of their pitiful lives. Thus a TRUE Christian knows they are sinners and TRY to do the right thing but we are only human so we back slide and have to get on our knees and repent asking for forgiveness for our sins.
Not sure if that hit the nails into his wrists (not hands) for if the were in his hands he would have fallen off the cross.....But I tried. No matter what we say, each and everyone of us has our own belifs and for
me to force mine upon you is a mortal sin in my mind.

I agree with you, although I do not always do what is right, myself.
I know that what I do is wrong, so why do I keep doing it?

Quote

Romans 7:
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This post has been edited by OliveOyl3471: 12 June 2009 - 12:07 PM

[Gorian]

*laughs heartily*

Olive my friend, you are on top of it!

[WolfCoder]

Dantheman, on 11 Jun, 2009 - 08:57 PM, said:

...
LOL, actually, I'm the one feeling sorry for you, because you think that the only place to learn Logic is the first chapter of a discrete mathematics textbook...

I do not think that.

Quote

Arguing against me by spewing what you read in some discrete mathematics book looks as though you are using logic to justify that you can throw religion, or spirituality out and even go as far as to throw out simple morality as well. That book is meant for teaching you how to work with Discrete Mathematics in practical applications and I feel sorry if you truly will look to it for the answers to more spiritual questions.

looks as though you are using logic to justify
Note the bold word used to show observation.

the only place to learn Logic is the first chapter of a discrete mathematics textbook...

The word only does not even appear in that quote.
The phrase first chapter does not even appear in that quote.

teaching you how to work with Discrete Mathematics
I'm being specific enough here to note it is Discrete Mathematics

Really, the only fallacy I can see is the implied idea that the book was a Discrete Mathematics book to be more specific, but that's not really the original point I was making. You really have a good skill for missing all my points, good job. Now let's continue with the discussion on Christianity and keep the lightly supported trolling to the minimum, hmm?

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 12 June 2009 - 07:59 PM

[Gorian]

True. If someone in this thread feels offended try and accomodate them. I am enjoying this, 'tis supposed to be a bit fun. A debate among friends.

[Dantheman]

WolfCoder, on 12 Jun, 2009 - 06:57 PM, said:

looks as though you are using logic to justify
Note the bold word used to show observation.

Yes, you're making an observation of me using a logic. But you were still positive that I used a "Discrete Mathematics" logic.

Quote

Really, the only fallacy I can see is the implied idea that the book was a Discrete Mathematics book.

Indeed it was. If you knew that the knowledge of Logic can come from numerous places, you wouldn't have made such retarded assumption.

Quote

But that's not really the original point I was making. You really have a good skill for missing all my points, good job.

That's why I said Anyway, back to the topic... and wrote the main point of my post. You completely ignored it. So I'm assuming you have no idea what you mean by "spirituality and morality" and can't provide your argument that the concept of God is any different from a fairy tale.

I addressed your point. You ignored mine. Good job, you have a good skill of avoiding arguments you can't defend.

This post has been edited by Dantheman: 12 June 2009 - 08:42 PM

[WolfCoder]

I addressed your point. You ignored mine. Good job, you have a good skill of avoiding arguments you can't defend.

Alright, you keep using my arguments and parrot them back at me, it's getting kind of old now.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 12 June 2009 - 10:30 PM

[Kanvus]

posting about posting helps my post count


how come we got smiley and no angel! im scared

[WolfCoder]

.. the hell? o.o


Where do all of you people come from? Wraaaaaa-!




*ahem*


Let me ask a perfectly valid (spiritual) question. Are you sure that you are Religious if you don't have a Relationship with whatever it is you believe? If you don't really feel like you're with God/s then you might just be pretending to be religious. This is like going to Church and/or practicing customs simply because you're used to it and your peers do. It feels more like relationship is a part of religion instead of them being two different things (Vs. like in the thread title).

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 12 June 2009 - 10:42 PM

[333OnlyHalfEvil]

WolfCoder, on 12 Jun, 2009 - 09:29 PM, said:

I addressed your point. You ignored mine. Good job, you have a good skill of avoiding arguments you can't defend.

Alright, you keep using my arguments and parrot them back at me, it's getting kind of old now.

lol, where's the response to:

Dantheman, on 11 Jun, 2009 - 07:57 PM, said:

Anyway, back to the topic. You're putting God into the category of "spirituality and morality". I put God into the category of "complete randomness and ridiculousness". To me, the concept of God is the same thing as tooth fairy - came from human imagination, not based on any facts, never been proven. Now, if you can point out the difference between these two, then I will reconsider my outlook.

That's the difference between an agnostic (I was an agnostic for a long time) and an atheist. An agnostic puts God in the same category as Higgs Boson. An atheist puts God in the same category as a tooth fairy.

[Kanvus]

There is no such thing as Atheism. There is only those who accept formatted spiritualism and those who hold out for greater spiritualism. If you are truly atheist then you wouldn't even mind the topic of God and he would not bother you. But being unsure, he does.

Then you say you are only angry because so many people are fooled by this stage act. Santa Clause fools 99% of people at some point in their life and several groups do believe he is real. Yet atheists merrily enjoy xmas and play along with the kids that are excited by a superhuman man that does the impossible miracles--and keeps a naughty list alike. He is more popular than God because he brings fun things. And no one is mad about it. So atheists don't truly care what others believe. They are afraid of being swayed wrongly if they let their guard down and settle for a spirituality that isn't top-notch or the best.

It's like genders being bitter at each other because top-notch love is hard to find and a guard is necessary. Gorian is a hot piece of lady-biscuit.

[Gorian]

Kanvus, on 13 Jun, 2009 - 01:42 AM, said:

Gorian is a hot piece of lady-biscuit.

... not sure I have heard that before.... is it good or bad...?

[OliveOyl3471]

Kanvus, you make a good argument. I've never heard it put quite that way before and I'm not sure that too many here will agree with you, but you might be correct about some Atheists.

lady-biscuit? rofl! That is the funniest thing I've seen all day!

Gorian, I think that is a compliment. I think.

[Gorian]

string str = "hot piece of lady-biscuit";
if(isCompliment(str) == true){
	 string reply = "Thank you Kanvus! Have not been called that yet. :)/>";
}else if (isCompliment(str) == false){
	 string reply = "Oh, well that is not very nice....";
}

lol. Thanks.

This post has been edited by Gorian: 14 June 2009 - 09:26 PM

[WolfCoder]

OliveOyl3471, on 14 Jun, 2009 - 08:47 PM, said:

Kanvus, you make a good argument. I've never heard it put quite that way before and I'm not sure that too many here will agree with you, but you might be correct about some Atheists.
...

Yes let's all make fun of Atheists. Actually, I was an Atheist at some point, but I got out of it a couple years ago and I'm surprised I didn't suddenly implode from all the contradictions and emptiness.

Like that evil guy from Lord of the Rings who got stabbed in the face.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 14 June 2009 - 11:36 PM