[Dantheman]

WolfCoder, on 25 May, 2009 - 06:08 PM, said:

It's pretty simple, really. There's no proof that no god and a god existing are either more likely, so it's a 50% chance. So while you don't have to have a religion, it makes sense to be as holy a person as possible through good acts and such.

[sarcasm]
I guess it's a 50% chance that we all have invisible nano-atomic chocolate bananas stuck in our rectums. I guess it's a 50% that tooth fairy is having sex with Santa Claus, right this moment. I guess it's a 50% chance that somewhere outside of the universe, there is a pink donkey that is sitting on a flying piano and playing Mozart's symphony no. 41.
[/sarcasm]

I wish I still had my university's Logic textbook. There was a description of a basic concept in Logic which states that it is irrational to make a claim that is not based on any facts. When such claim is presented, it is only rational to dismiss it completely.

Examples:

1. There are invisible nano-atomic chocolate bananas stuck in our rectums. Illogical. There is no evidence that there are invisible objects.
2. Tooth fairy is having sex with Santa Claus, right this moment. Illogical. There's no evidence for existence of a tooth fairy. Note, the existence of Santa Claus is irrelevant, because a part of this argument, concerned with tooth fairy is already false, so the argument is illogical anyway.
3. There is God. Illogical. There's no evidence for the existence of such qualities as omnipotence and omnibenevolence. Omnipotence can further lead to some paradoxes (if God is all powerful, can it create an immovable object and then move it?).

It is only logical to deny all of the above arguments.

4. There are pink monkeys with three eyes. Logical. Monkeys exist. There's evidence for the ability of creatures to change their color. There's evidence that creatures may be born with such anomalies as additional eyes. Nothing out of the ordinary. It would be illogical to deny such argument.

We can go on and start talking about philosophy and what is the meaning of truth and what is the meaning of our universe and how we perceive it, and all that bullshit... But, sometimes you just need to use a common sense.

This post has been edited by Dantheman: 10 June 2009 - 06:50 PM

[Gorian]

WolfCoder, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 04:38 PM, said:

Many bibles are screaming to be revised for modern times. Seriously, they would make much more sense if they were written in the context of today's society. Even better if you could place a series of the first and the latest versions of the bible so people can see the original and the newest version so that it makes even more sense.

Well, we have the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls which are about as old as you get. When the bible are translated, they are translated from the original languages. As for revision, the bible is not meant to be a book of science. Sure, God could have inspired it to be written "in the beginning, God created laws for the universe, and built us out of atoms, and the sun out of a mixture of gases. He declared that Hydrogen and Oxygen make water" However, 2000 years ago, it would have been insensible. The bible was written to be relevant to all generations. Kinda like backward compatibility. You try to play a windows XP Game on a 3.1 Operating System, chances are, it won't work. However, a 3.1 or 95 game will play on a Windows XP system. (Most...).

This post has been edited by Gorian: 10 June 2009 - 07:21 PM

[Zerobu]

Ok suppose that there is creator( a god) that created the Universe, Why then is Christianity, and the bible considered correct?

[Gorian]

Zerobu, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 06:36 PM, said:

Ok suppose that there is creator( a god) that created the Universe, Why then is Christianity, and the bible considered correct?

The Bible is the inspired word of God. Christian mean "of Christ" or "little Christ" it means that we are attempting to follow the example of the son of God (Christ is a title by the way, like messiah, or Doctor, not a last name). Jesus, when he was on Earth, was God in human flesh. However, Christianity is only considered correct by Christians. I will argue though, that if you truly, will all of your heart, long to know the creator of the universe, and pray to him to reveal himself, he will lead you to True Christianity. The difference between Christians and most other religions is that we do not attempt to make our God fit our doctrine and out wants and needs. We are not afraid to stand up for what is Right, for what is pure, and righteous. We are persecuted, and made fun of more than any other "religion" because we do not conform.

[Dantheman]

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The difference between Christians and most other religions is that we do not attempt to make our God fit our doctrine and out wants and needs. We are not afraid to stand up for what is Right, for what is pure, and righteous. We are persecuted, and made fun of more than any other "religion" because we do not conform.

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I love how you victimized yourself. Christians are always getting persecuted, and made fun of. I mean, it's not like this country's population is 78% Christians. Amirite?

I also love how you quoted the word "religion", meaning that the only true religion is Christianity.
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I think I have some idea why Christianity is being made fun of. I think it's because Christians believe in:

1. The universe that's 6500 years old.
2. A magical sky-daddy that has a thing for young virgins.
3. Some dude who heals blind, turns water into wine, walks on water, and most importantly, turns into a zombie after you kill him.
4. A woman getting created out of a rib.
5. Talking snakes.
6. Humans who live for 900+ years.
7. Oh, and what about Jonah's story? It's pretty interesting, actually. Basically, the dude did some bad thing and was thrown off into the ocean from a ship. God decided to give Jonah a second chance and sent a whale to swallow Jonah. So then Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights, living inside a whale. Jonah decided to pray to God, and God forgave Jonah. Then God commanded a whale to vomit Jonah out and let him live.

Those who haven't read Bible will probably think I'm making this stuff up, No! It's all in the Bible! Every story is as ridiculous as Jonah's story. Here's one about Balaam.

8. Balaam is just minding his own business, spanking his ass (donkey) when suddenly he hears a voice. It’s his donkey who is asking him why he is spanking him. Balaam doesn’t seem the least bit miffed that his donkey has starting talking in the same language as him and says, “Because thou hast mocked me.” The donkey then gets philosophical and explains the nature of their relationship and how his feelings have been hurt. Eventually they make peace. Oh yeah did I mention it was TALKING DONKEY?

9. Continuing the Bible’s fascination with all things foreskin, we get the bizarre story of God trying to kill Moses because his son isn’t circumcised. God is about to obliterate Moses when his wife Zipporah takes out a flint and quickly cuts the foreskin of his son (ouch), throwing the bloody skin fragment at Moses’ feet. “You are a bloody husband to me!” squeals Zipporah, flint in one hand, child in other. God, clearly freaked out by this woman, backs off and Moses is saved.

There are thousands of other reasons, but I'll keep it short here. Anyway, I think that anybody who believes in all those things should not only be made fun of, but also should get kicked into the head couple times and hopefully get some common sense in there.

No offense, of course.

This post has been edited by Dantheman: 10 June 2009 - 09:09 PM

[Gorian]

Dantheman, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 07:51 PM, said:

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The difference between Christians and most other religions is that we do not attempt to make our God fit our doctrine and out wants and needs. We are not afraid to stand up for what is Right, for what is pure, and righteous. We are persecuted, and made fun of more than any other "religion" because we do not conform.

[sarcasm]
I love how you victimized yourself. Christians are always getting persecuted, and made fun of. I mean, it's not like this country's population is 78% Christians. Amirite?

I also love how you quoted the word "religion", meaning that the only true religion is Christianity.
[/sarcasm]

I think I have some idea why Christianity is being made fun of. I think it's because Christians believe in:

1. The universe that's 6500 years old.
2. A magical sky-daddy that has a thing for young virgins.
3. Some dude who heals blind, turns water into wine, walks on water, and most importantly, turns into a zombie after you kill him.
4. A woman getting created out of a rib.
5. Talking snakes.
6. Humans who live for 900+ years.
7. Oh, and what about Jonah's story? It's pretty interesting, actually. Basically, the dude did some bad thing and was thrown off into the ocean from a ship. God decided to give Jonah a second chance and sent a whale to swallow Jonah. So then Jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights, living inside a whale. Jonah decided to pray to God, and God forgave Jonah. Then God commanded a whale to vomit Jonah out and let him live.

Those who haven't read Bible will probably think I'm making this stuff up, No! It's all in the Bible! Every story is as ridiculous as Jonah's story. Here's one about Balaam.

8. Balaam is just minding his own business, spanking his ass (donkey) when suddenly he hears a voice. It’s his donkey who is asking him why he is spanking him. Balaam doesn’t seem the least bit miffed that his donkey has starting talking in the same language as him and says, “Because thou hast mocked me.” The donkey then gets philosophical and explains the nature of their relationship and how his feelings have been hurt. Eventually they make peace. Oh yeah did I mention it was TALKING DONKEY?

9. Continuing the Bible’s fascination with all things foreskin, we get the bizarre story of God trying to kill Moses because his son isn’t circumcised. God is about to obliterate Moses when his wife Zipporah takes out a flint and quickly cuts the foreskin of his son (ouch), throwing the bloody skin fragment at Moses’ feet. “You are a bloody husband to me!” squeals Zipporah, flint in one hand, child in other. God, clearly freaked out by this woman, backs off and Moses is saved.

There are thousands of other reasons, but I'll keep it short here. Anyway, I think that anybody who believes in all those things should not only be made fun of, but also should get kicked into the head couple times and hopefully get some common sense in there.

No offense, of course.

Well, mostly right albeit a lot of out-of-context stories, and twisting actual events to make it sound perverted. However I put religion in quotation because we are not a religion.

yeah, the bible is crazy. My favorite book. Like a good sci-fi or fantasy. Except real history.

note that the fascination is not with circumcision but that it symbolizes being set apart, and being bound to God. God was angry at the disregard for his law, not about some foreskin. You just made it sound weird.

This post has been edited by Gorian: 11 June 2009 - 12:09 AM

[searockruz]

hey Gorian

you started the thread against Christians and how is it that, now you are the most active person defending bible and its rules

This post has been edited by searockruz: 11 June 2009 - 12:08 AM

[Johnnydangerously123]

searockruz, on 25 May, 2009 - 12:45 AM, said:

i am sorry to hear that but
How can you judge Christianity from one person ?

Ok who killed more people than any wars combined? I will answer, The Christan's, they killed in the name of Christianity, forcing religion onto others, Hey don't get me wrong I believe in God and I also believe that Jesus Christ was sent to pay for my lazy butt to sin for I am only human. Being human I also can NOT judge anyone, its not my right to do so, Jesus and the all mighty are the only ones qualified to do so. So my point being, have your own faith and if your happy with it that is all that matters, Let God guide you though you!
God Bless

[searockruz]

@Johnnydangerously123

can you be more specific

[Gorian]

searockruz, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

hey Gorian

you started the thread against Christians and how is it that, now you are the most active person defending bible and its rules

I am Christian all the way. I started this thread so I could argue about it with others and be on topic. (argue kindly I might add, I have no wish to get rude with people)

Johnnydangerously123, on 10 Jun, 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

searockruz, on 25 May, 2009 - 12:45 AM, said:

i am sorry to hear that but
How can you judge Christianity from one person ?

Ok who killed more people than any wars combined? I will answer, The Christan's, they killed in the name of Christianity, forcing religion onto others, Hey don't get me wrong I believe in God and I also believe that Jesus Christ was sent to pay for my lazy butt to sin for I am only human. Being human I also can NOT judge anyone, its not my right to do so, Jesus and the all mighty are the only ones qualified to do so. So my point being, have your own faith and if your happy with it that is all that matters, Let God guide you though you!
God Bless

granted. The crusades were a bit crazy, but then, so were the catholics. They lost a lot when they started compromising in order to attracts pagans. (not that I have anything against pagans or Wiccans, save the Satanist who claim to be them in order to give them a bad name)

On the judgment: Correct, we do not have the authority to judge. God has judged however. Telling a homosexual that God has decreed homosexuality a sin, and then treating them like everyone else that you hang with is not a sin. I have a lot of gay friends. That is not judging them, but telling them the judgment that God has decreed. On the other hand, we have a dut to sand up for what is righteous and Holy. "To make disciple of all men". We are also commanded to love. (read my blog Road2Corinth.blogspot.com). We should not and cannot sit idly by. We are called to action. "To put on the full armor of God" "the Glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard". We don't put on armor to sit around, and we don't need a rear guard unless we are attacked. "For we wrestle not with principalities and powers of darkness" We are fighting a battle for Men's souls. We are in the middle of a raging war, and people need to understand that the very people we are fighting for, the very people we are fighting to save, are the people who are persecuting us and mocking us. We are called to a higher purpose, to fight for the God of all, not just the God of the Christians.

This post has been edited by Gorian: 11 June 2009 - 12:31 AM

[searockruz]

@Gorian

argue with whom ?

[Johnnydangerously123]

OK as programmers what do we do, we tell a computer what to do by following text books or the knowledge we have learned allong the way, but we all had to start somewhere a book to learn. My point being Read a real Book (the Bible) make your own decisions based on what you read, take from it what you will. Its just a guide book to help you program your own life's paths, take the right directions that's all!
God Bless those don't believe and grace those who profess his faith and word!

[Gorian]

@sea whomever

[searockruz]

@Gorian

well if your christian then why are you arguing against christians

@Johnnydangerously123
i simply don't get your point

what do you want to say?
i am confused

This post has been edited by searockruz: 11 June 2009 - 12:45 AM

[Gorian]

Yes, God will bless them, but it is written in The Book of Revelation (not plural) that we should be hot or cold, but those that are lukewarm will be vomited out of his mouth. For Christ, or against him. Take Action! Rise to meet the Challenge! 1st Corinthians 11 "Proclaim the Lord's Death until he comes"! We need to be moving. Our God is alive and He is moving, in peoples hearts and in their lives. To follow him we must do the same.