[no2pencil]

As per Sloth, emptying ones bladder comes 1st & foremost.

[motcom]

Just a thought,

Driving in the car that is just gaining speed, taking the CELL PHONE and whilst accelerating calling 911 to report that the car will not slow down, wait for a cop car to pull in infront of you to stop you. What could be wrong with this equation?

Maybe the Ingition key broke off aswell?

Would turning the motor OFF not help???

Edit:

I mean you get taught not to talk on the phone whilst driving etc. but still thats the first option...

This post has been edited by motcom: 12 March 2010 - 01:38 AM

[WolfCoder]

TriggaMike, on 11 March 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

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All we said that if you don't try to shift to neutral before calling 911, you are officially a fuck stick. Like honestly, what's 911 going to do for you? Dispatch an ambulance to come pick your dead ass up? Great.

Now there's no need to get crude and start getting a little fiery here, some people can't help that their pedals aren't actually connected to anything to begin with and the computer decided to malfunction. I'm also pretty sure this sort of thing happens with more than just Toyota and that it's just Toyota's turn on the Russian Roulette.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 12 March 2010 - 05:10 AM

[calvinthedestroyer]

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WolfCoder: Now there's no need to get crude and start getting a little fiery here, some people can't help that their pedals aren't actually connected to anything to begin with and the computer decided to malfunction. I'm also pretty sure this sort of thing happens with more than just Toyota and that it's just Toyota's turn on the Russian Roulette.

Your the only one that gets it. "The pedal, keys, and shifter are connected to the computer not the car. The computer controls the car!"

I heard that Ford uses the same gas pedal assembly in some of there cars. So if you have a Ford you better have that checked.

[TriggaMike]

WolfCoder, on 12 March 2010 - 04:10 AM, said:

TriggaMike, on 11 March 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

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All we said that if you don't try to shift to neutral before calling 911, you are officially a fuck stick. Like honestly, what's 911 going to do for you? Dispatch an ambulance to come pick your dead ass up? Great.

Now there's no need to get crude and start getting a little fiery here, some people can't help that their pedals aren't actually connected to anything to begin with and the computer decided to malfunction. I'm also pretty sure this sort of thing happens with more than just Toyota and that it's just Toyota's turn on the Russian Roulette.

If it's the case that Toyota has a computer system that can lock-up during operation and completely nullify all controls, that sickens me. The fact they could even get away with replacing a computer control for everything, have no manual backups, and put a person's life in the hands of a computer that doesn't seem to be functioning correctly, is horrible. I wouldn't want to drive any vehicle where the designers weren't smart enough to ask "what if the computer stops functioning or goes into an infinite loop". Computers are great and all, but there needs to always be a manual backup in cases like this.

[Sethro117]

TriggaMike, on 11 March 2010 - 11:58 PM, said:

Seems like somewhere around 90mph is about the typical speed I've heard from different reports? That isn't too fast, faster than you'd wanna be doing any serious curves at though.

You dont drive much do you? 90mph is a good deal to be driving. You hit anything doing 90mph this is the outcome:
1. You're dead and probably if you hit another vehicle, they're dead too.
2. Youre wearing a seatbelt and you break the majority of your ribs, possibly puncturing a lung and dying later duee to internal bleeding.
3. You're one of the few who survive. Congrats

90mph is a pretty good click and in a crowded traffice area it could be disastrous.

[KYA]

PsychoCoder, on 11 March 2010 - 11:30 PM, said:

I'm getting tired of the public (and Government) crucifying Toyota over this, it's not like GM, Ford, Chrysler and now Honda haven't had recalls before, but none of them were put through what Toyota's going through now.

It's a dog and pony show.

[CharlieMay]

Well, I found this over Monday's incident and apparently, there are sensors that communicate when the gas pedal and brake are applied at the same time which should cut power to the wheels. I just wonder if there is some outside interference that could cause a malfunction in the computer. Anyway, here is the article from Monday's incident.

This post has been edited by CharlieMay: 12 March 2010 - 06:46 PM

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PsychoCoder, on 11 March 2010 - 10:30 PM, said:

I'm getting tired of the public (and Government) crucifying Toyota over this, it's not like GM, Ford, Chrysler and now Honda haven't had recalls before, but none of them were put through what Toyota's going through now.

I mean Ford had a car (Pinto) that would explode if rear-ended just right. Right now Honda is recalling more and more cars as the days go by but I dont see the government pushing criminal charges against them.

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Vehicle manufactures do recalls all the time. My vehicle was recalled because of its steering column. Which reminds me, I still need to bring it in.

Did any of those problems that you mentioned kill anyone? If not, I believe that is the reason why Toyota is being scrutinized.

[supersloth]

why, yes, yes they did lead to deaths. the pinto one is thought to be responsible for at least three deaths. http://www.autosafet...-fuel-fed-fires i'm sure the other recalls have deaths and injuries associated with them as well.

[CharlieMay]

Yes, and lets not forget the Chevy trucks with exploding gas tanks from side impacts.

[skyhawk133]

Are you kidding me?!?!?!

http://www.reuters.c...E62L5MM20100322

Investigators say there is absolutely no indication the break pedal was ever depressed, that the accelerator was 100% depressed at the time of the accident.

Different accident, but sounds awfully familiar.

Idiots.

[Meister_Chicho]

I'm not an expert in automotive vehicles, but i'm an engineer so I'll express my point of view:

There is something I'd never do: turning off the engine. It will stop the hydraulic system of the car, so forget about all assisted action (brakes, steering wheel...).

Every engine can be turned off, no matter if the ignition is manual of with a button, I'd say that every car with start button can be stopped by pressing it again (you must push it for 3 seconds for example in some Renault models). It makes no sense you cannot turn off the engine, it is something you always can do one way or another, and the car manual must tell you how to do it.

What I think is the best solution is what some of you said: Neutral!! you separate the drive line from the wheels, so no power is applied and the vehicle will end stopping (it could be too late I know). And as the engine is working, you keep having control of the steering wheel and brakes. For what is more as you all know many cars lock the steering wheel when parked turned off, but not all cars prevent it if the car is moving; so it would be a complete fail if you'd lock the steering wheel while moving...

There is something none of you have suggested: the parking brake. It makes sense to use the parking brake, and it will not make your car jump in the air (it only happens in films).

With the neutral applied, brakes at 100% (even if they don't work well), and steering wheel ok, after applying the parking brake, i'd start changing direction of my car. If the car starts sliding it will obviously stop in a much more fast time. If not at least I would hit walls, concrete.... anything at the side of the road.

Oh... the engine will never explode because of over revs, every car has a limit. And can't be passed.

reality is that in a situation like the one you've been describing, we would all panic, and wouldn't think about how to stop the car.

One more thing, manual cars have electronic control too, so the ones who have been saying that it wouldn't have happened in a manual car... you are wrong. In fact even a manual car without electronic control can suffer the same problem, in a mechanical way.

Forgive me is there is something that I've written that is not correct in english, I do my best