[unreal_origin]

Thorian, on 18 Jul, 2006 - 01:05 PM, said:

frog, on 18 Jul, 2006 - 12:16 PM, said:

this is no act or something and i dont think that this would be a permanent thing.just a safekeeping measure

That is what "they" said about the patriot act.

That is what the said about income taxes in Canada, sometime during WW1 but that did not happen

[frog]

i think i need to give an explanation.

first of all no ones banning blogs .they are just making it unreachable for some time . there isnt any law saying that under the following act blogging is here by banned .no one is doing that.and by the way did you see the other sites which were banned hindurights.org and other such sites. these are basically sites run by some extremely fanatic people. i dont suppose you tried to read these articles. you can if just enter proper keywords in google and view the cached pages . the kind of shit they are full of.

now you might say everyone has a right to speak whatever crap they think about the world . once i read an article about a site that encouraged people to commit suicide and the best ways to do so and some people did commit suicides. now i guess they were complete idiots but even so there life was important and anything that can be done avoid such mishaps should be in my opinion done .

i dont think any of you guys can deny religion always has and will have tremendous influence. i for one dont feel that its power or influece can be underestimated .particularly in a country like india.

born2c0de you say everyone is entitled to an opinion. of course everyone is . no one denys that . but people dont post there opinions in their blogs they just post why they slept till the after noon or why pink isnt just there colour. im sorry buts thats something i just cant sympathize with. you are in no way denied of an opinion if you cant blog for some time. people need to realise the bigger picture. they are ways to express your opinion other than blogs. but is any justice done to them. or for that matter even blogs.

freedom of speech is indeed a great power. its is a power and forgive me for quoting spiderman but with power does come great responsibility. you talk of your rights. what about your duties. it is our duty to speak our opinion .to communicate of what matter. i agree i dont care about such things but even then i cant bring myself to empathize with it.

again blogging is a previlige and not a right. we need to see the difference between our previliges and our rights. i am quite sure Ben Franklin didnt mean that its not ok to give up your little previliges to safegaurd yourself. all of us have many means of communicating our opinions but thats the problem we dont,i dont.
i can go on and on about the goverment but i know that last time when my parents didnt go to vote i didnt persuade them to. i didnt try. i had a chance to speak and i didnt . i think that would be just enough to keep me from saying things about our government.

and i dont think you are the only one in india with this opinion. you should watch the discussions on the many news channels and what people have to say

[Amadeus]

I think the difference will lie in interpretation.

frog, you make the distinction between a right and a privelege. I'm not intimately familiar with India's laws and their respective amendments, but within North America, freedom of speech has been enshrined as a right in national constitutions and/or bills of rights (either directly or as amendments), as has freedom of the press. the reason you are seeing such diagreement is that here, these items, both of which apply to blogging are in fact rights, not priveleges. They do not have to be earned - they are given automatically to every citizen. Blogging is covered under free speech, and is therefore a right - period.

(although I should note there have been challenges to this law over the years)

Of course, this does not apply to all countries, and I'm not familiar enough with India's laws to speak on it one way or another.

[eLliDKraM]

spiderman COULD fix this

[frog]

well again that was my interpretation of blogging as a previlige.
freedom to free speech is a fundamental right in indian constitution and again no one is banning blogs or blogging . no one did that

[born2c0de]

Freedom of Speech and Expression is given to every citizen of India.

And I agree with Amadeus that Blogging comes under that...so why curb it?
And what exactly are 'other' ways of communication???
Rioting isn't one of them I hope...and that is in no way an example of freedom of expression.

And frog...just cause' News Agencies cover such stuff...I'm pretty darn sure they don't mean even one bit of it.

Even during the Blasts lask week...when I went off the train, I saw many people helping the injured and the dead...and around them were news reporters who were just filming these people and reporting about the blasts.

These guys didn't help improve the situation at all...They made things worse...I saw it.

And if they discuss issues like this...they're doing it as a part of their job...and not because they really mean it.

The sane guys like you and me need to get like-minded people together and talk to the government about such issues.

Just because everyone is so busy with their work (I don't blame people for that) they don't have the energy to do this....but someday....sometime....something is going to trigger the action.

I just hope it happens soon.

[born2c0de]

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no one is banning blogs or blogging

I know...but if such things keep happening more frequently...it'll happen soon.

[frog]

ohk i take back what i said about the news agencies. im not in any position to judge how helpful they were last tuesday.

well actually i still remember the fuss they created on the reservation issue and once the strikes were over not a single thing about it. as if it never happened.

maybe i cant be sensitive enough to this issue. my own opinion in any case.
but the thing i was angry about is the way things are handled or done , by the media ,by the public in presenting there opinions and by the government in there execution.i dont they think still agreed that it was them who issued the order regarding the websites
now thats something really irresponsible on there part

[born2c0de]

You know what frog....let's just forget about this issue for now.

Silence is the only option we have.

[Xenon]

the ban still in effect.. looks like some months till they get un banned dammnit

[dorknexus]

i smell a coup d'etat

[born2c0de]

Our freakin' politicians need to be qualified enough to understand what 'freedom of speech' is.

They also need to realise that banning a website is not the answer.
If you do that another mirror site will pop-up and the process is endless.

Also there are many anonymous blogs which the government doesn't even know about which has posts of all kinds of things....some even illegal.

This sux....bigtime.

[Xenon]

oh come on, ur asking too much

ill say let them have a 12+ pass qualification as the requirement lmao.

[frog]

i dont think is gonna be done . govt issued a statement saying that they asked the ISP's to block only certain blogs. guess there will arise a situation of blaming each other .anyways its not like people are not gonna find the way to visit blogs any ways .you can always see them thru some sites