[NeoTifa]

The integral of 1 is x+c.... XD

When it comes to taking notes, I try to take down all he writes on the board, add my own little personal comments, personalize what I wrote, etc. When it comes to other classes, I just take down highlights of what I think I wont remember. But when it comes to math, I take down notes like I'm going to give them to someone else, because, well today I gave yesterdays notes (the one with the planes) to Thai Boy and told him to read the section and use these notes as a guide. They're not intended to teach a whole lesson, just suppliment the book.

And that was only page 4 of yesterdays notes in case anyone was wondering.

[blutrane]

Some of my favorite classes ever were incredibly note-intensive, specifically my sophomore Humanities class, A/V and Man-Rev. I have whole notebooks filled with notes that I still use for reference Thankfully I'm a pack rat and hoard 'useful' objects.

[lordofduct]

Craig328, on 26 October 2010 - 07:47 AM, said:

5thWall, on 26 October 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

...I found that if I didn't write it down in class I wouldn't remember it during the test.

Repetition is one of the ways to learn something. Actively writing something you've read or been told has been shown to imprint it better in your memory than if you didn't write it down.

As a personal example, my 8 year old brought home his first 9 week report card a couple of weeks back. A's across the board and one F: spelling (but he got an A in reading, go figure). Our solution since then has been that he writes his spelling words three times each and spells them out loud as he writes them down. Do that 3-4 times per week before his spelling test. Spelling tests since then have all been A's.

Repetition and active memorization (writing and saying things out loud) work very well. Ergo note taking mandates in some high school classes.

My post was actually for the opposite of this. Well not exactly the opposite, but near that.

My point was that though rote memory training through repetition may work for a group of students, it hasn't been proved to be the most effective, and I don't believe it should be mandated. As I said before, excessive note taking hindered my ability to retain knowledge... yet the mandate would have cause me to fail a class (get a D) despite my very high skill in it. Because to get that D meant I had to do EVERYTHING perfect except for the note taking.



I did make the comment that my girlfriend says I should of gone to montessori school, where it isn't mandated. But only private institutions follow that teaching mechanism. Not saying public schools should supply alternatives, I'm saying it shouldn't mandate something that could in turn hurt intelligent students.

Creating incentives for students to study (study or fail mentality) probably isn't the best case scenario. Especially if it's at the cost of other students. One may argue that not requiring notes may allow the lazy kids to fail, but it doesn't... there are other incentives that could be put into action to get them to study that don't hurt those who don't need it.

In the private setting this isn't of a concern, in the private setting you have choice. You don't like the teaching method, don't go to that school. But in the public setting you don't get a choice. It isn't like everyone can afford private schooling... I know my family certainly couldn't.

This post has been edited by lordofduct: 26 October 2010 - 09:21 AM

[hookiethe1]

lordofduct, on 26 October 2010 - 07:20 AM, said:

For this particular class the teacher said it was 35% of your grade

I would look at that as a free 35%. Some people are just never happy...

[lordofduct]

hookiethe1, on 26 October 2010 - 08:15 AM, said:

lordofduct, on 26 October 2010 - 07:20 AM, said:

For this particular class the teacher said it was 35% of your grade

I would look at that as a free 35%. Some people are just never happy...

It's not free, it required a task that would have drove me to dislike the class. Note taking is a long arduous task that takes away from my normal learning techniques. Learning takes time and stealing that time away so I can't do it hinders.

It's not like we all consume information blindly. We all have our own learning techniques. Mine is a flag based system where I read a chunk of information and flag data in that set of information. Then I research data related to that flagged data. Learning another subject at the same time. This dual necessity for the flagged data reinforces it. In dual researching I may find new flags that slightly expand on the original material. I'll then research those new flags which may lead to yet new information that crosses back to the original data. Now I've got 3 large chunks of data tied to one single flag... I can memorize ONE TEXTUAL FACT, and by referencing that one flag I can get to the looser information surrounding it that would be these 3 places I've read.

This takes time... especially in math. It requires me to play with math and push it into places that the book doesn't even bother touching on. It's kind of a self discovery method. Or in English where it requires me to resolve the etymology of words or research specific authors to understand the references created in the books. The internet makes this much easier today, but in the 90's this was a bitch to do.


So NO, 35% of the grade is NOT a free grade. It hinders my ability to naturally learn the way I do.

[BenignDesign]

In my younger years, I was able to absorb information like a sponge - by listening, reading, doing, didn't matter - everything seemed to stick.

Now I have to read a paragraph 4 times before it even STARTS to make sense.

I imagine my brain in high school looked a lot like a normal, healthy brain.

I imagine my brain now resembles a dried-up loofah.

This post has been edited by BenignDesign: 26 October 2010 - 10:05 AM

[blutrane]

Kids do that

[NeoTifa]

Yea, that's how I was. I learned at an accelerated rate, then I "got retarded".

[no2pencil]

My drivers ed notes were full of car accidents

[JustinDe]

It's a miracle I pass my classes...

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[Locke]

That doodle is in statistics notes. I see "Normal Distribution". I WIN.

God I hate my statistics class.

[macosxnerd101]

I know what you mean. Statistics is definitely a dry subject. Practical, but dry.

[earlgrey]

I spent most of my maths days writing 5318008 on my calculator. Then turning it upside down.

[NeoTifa]

Really? Because I write BOOBIES on mine, as well as PENIS, because I have a TI-84.

[supersloth]

i never had an 84, i always wondered if the quantity/quality of the applications went up when they finally made them USB. what a disaster the 83's use to be.