[dorknexus]

It's not sarcastic. I was speaking from the context of practicality and productivity and he was speaking from the context of mere enjoyment. I missed that.

[hookiethe1]

Fuck it, you children will never understand. Why bother writing efficient, optimized code, when you can just rely on the compiler to do it for you? Assembly lets you control your registers and your data to the finest degree, it requires careful thought and attention to detail, something you pre-pubescent simpletons will never understand.

@ Nikitin, I've programmed plenty more than "Hello world" in assembly language for various platforms, so don't presume to educate me, if you weren't an idiot you'd realize that the bugs introduced are your own and the complexity of the possible programs is limited only by the programmer.

@Dark Nexus, your screwdriver analogy is over simplified and flawed. I could make a similar one about high quality hand crafted furniture versus some flat packed piece of ikea crap that was cut out by a machine.

Beyond that, what you blithering idiots are not considering is that not all programming is destined for the home computer, in fact, far from it. Imagine you somehow blindly stumble into a job one day where you're programming simple microcontrollers for garage doors, or light dimmers, or any of a billion other implementations, and you can save a few kB or even MB of RAM on each chip, do you think that would be worthless, over several million units?

This forum sucks, I've seen a couple of decent posters, but far too many kids with too high opinions of their own intelligence.

[lordofduct]

well then you may want to up your reading comprehension.

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I love assembly, wish it were more common still, I could gladly write assembly all day.

love and gladly should portray the idea of "pleasure".



Sorry I thought your comment may have been sarcastic, but considering the context of your interpretation of that statement, that's the conclusion I drew.



@hookie - I'm sorry for your dismay... sadly I know what you mean. But for some reason this forum actually has given me a far better community interaction then some other places I've been. Since writing .Net this was the only forum I've found where the level of... snobbery?... was bearable, and has several members that are actually fun to talk with.

Keep in mind this is the 'caffeine' section... we sometimes just go off on rants in here... so far as I've surmised since joining.

for instance I've come to enjoy the debates and bits of conversation with Dark_Nexus. But then again I like a battle, it's fun. Especially when you know they probably don't really wish you any ill will afterward (at least I hope as much).


I think of it like guys in a locker room picking fun at each other. It's just what guys do.

This post has been edited by lordofduct: 27 October 2010 - 05:40 PM

[hookiethe1]

There's no hard feelings, and I stopped getting pissed off at what comes via the internet a long time ago. But any forum is it's own entity, and I've been suspecting that this one's not really my speed. I'll probably still lurk and chime in on occasion, but from now on I'll mostly leave you guys to it.

[KYA]

If you are looking for serious/professional discussion, pretty much any subforum but this one [the Lounge] is a sure bet. This one is hit or miss. Generally miss.

[macosxnerd101]

@Hookie: From my experiences, I've seen people come at Assembly from a few different angles. There are those that feel it isn't worth learning for most jobs nowadays, and that high level languages make the job so much easier. There are also those who have attempted Assembly and metaphorically speaking got smacked in the face by it. And then there are those who enjoy and embrace Assembly moreso. In what I've gathered, I would be very interested in taking some Assembly courses when I hit college and getting up to speed on the low-level programming, as it is definitely a good skill to have. However, I don't feel it is something I'd want to do everyday unless it was the only job available to me, as higher level languages help reduce development time, which means a lot when faced with deadlines. Just like programmers are a unique breed, Assembly programmers seem to be another unique breed. From reading some of pbl's posts, he's definitely thrilled for higher level languages like Java after being an assembly programmer for a number of years. Martyn.Rae on the other hand prefers Assembly (at least, I believe that it's his language of choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Martyn. ). Both of these guys are awesome programmers, but with differing viewpoints on Assembly and low-level programming.

Also, I wanted to reiterate that personal attacks aren't tolerated. It's one thing to disagree with someone's opinion, but let's leave the personal attacks out of it, please.

[no2pencil]

hookiethe1: I like writing in assembly. There isn't any reason why you couldn't, if you can sell your own programs then there is no reason why you couldn't write them in any language that you wish. I wrote & sold a program in pure assembly. I only had to use a C resource compiler to layout the Windows, but all of the Windows API was in x86 assembly.

Just realize the difference between having your dreams, & pushing them off on others. Just because something thinks your code of choice is a waste of their time, don't wast yours trying to explain why you enjoy it.

[NeoTifa]

What the fuck does this have to do with my math notes?! XD

I actually would like to learn Assembly, though at the moment, I need to focus on the language I'm taking the class in. My major, in essence, is robotics and controls, so I would think it would be very useful. Plus I hear NES games were written in it, and I wouldn't mind taking a look at the source code and basking in the genius that was simplistic, 8-bit sex-in-a-box.

[no2pencil]

NeoTifa, on 27 October 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

What the fuck does this have to do with my math notes?! XD

Your math notes suck. The topic grew a life of it's own.

NeoTifa, on 27 October 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

I hear NES games were written in it, and I wouldn't mind taking a look at the source code

http://groups.google...resources?hl=en

[supersloth]

[dorknexus]

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for instance I've come to enjoy the debates and bits of conversation with Dark_Nexus. But then again I like a battle, it's fun. Especially when you know they probably don't really wish you any ill will afterward (at least I hope as much).

I enjoy a good debate/argument. Best way to learn. I also do not wish ill will on anyone over the interwebz.

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Fuck it, you children will never understand. Why bother writing efficient, optimized code, when you can just rely on the compiler to do it for you? Assembly lets you control your registers and your data to the finest degree, it requires careful thought and attention to detail, something you pre-pubescent simpletons will never understand.

Go look at the assembly output from an optimizing compiler. Or better yet go write an optimizing compiler and then tell me how crappy the assembly output is.

I've written an optimized C compiler from scratch with x86 output and all. I assure you I have a solid understanding of assembly. After that experience of not only designing and implementing a compiler but also analyzing assembly output from pre-existing compilers I doubt that people these days can do better than most mature compilers. Compilers make very smart decisions about how to optimize register use, memory use, and reduce cycles spent running operations.

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well then you may want to up your reading comprehension.

Your mom needs to up her reading comprehension. UH OHHHH.

This post has been edited by Dark_Nexus: 27 October 2010 - 11:57 PM