[modi123_1]

BenignDesign, on 04 May 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

"Assisted suicide" is just another term for "willing homicide victim"

I would say 'not always'... sure in 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' a pillow to the face, but what about setting up a machine that the patient triggers pouring a euphoric, but deadly, cocktail into the person?

[tlhIn`toq]

They found my half-brother in a hot-sheets motel, one county over from where he lived with 3 bullets in him.

Does it count as 'assisted suicide' if you sleep with another man's wife, knowing the guy is a nut case that feels he owns his wife like property, and owns several guns?

'Dumbass' needs to be a cause of death.

[BenignDesign]

I think if you provide someone with the means to kill themselves - with the INTENT for them to kill themselves - it should be considered murder on some level.

"Oh, no, I didn't feed my child anti-freeze. I simply left the bottle open on the floor. He drank it of his own freewill. I can't be held responsible for his death."

[codeprada]

@tlhIn`toq That's murder. It's different if your half-brother told the person to shoot him he's ready to die or whatever which I don't think he did.

[modi123_1]

Okay - let's cut a clear bright line - between two consenting adults.

[tlhIn`toq]

But if you are over 21, have extenuating circumstances you should be allowed to off yourself.

If at 68 years old I am in permanent pain and having limbs cut off because of cancer, I am going to kill myself rather than live like that.

[modi123_1]

You have no arms so it's cool to have some one help?

[BenignDesign]

modi123_1, on 04 May 2011 - 10:47 AM, said:

between two consenting adults.

I really don't think death follows the same rules as rape.

[lordofduct]

Ok, this has quickly turned into a right-to-death talk. Which actually I think is an important talk. I too agree that one should have the choice to end their own life. And in the scenario where they can not do the act themselves that they can illicit a willing physician. Willing is key though, I've heard the debates from doctors that they don't want to be forced to off their patient, and I agree they shouldn't be forced. But that doesn't mean they should sit and suffer for an extra year from things like mesothelioma and the sort. If there is a Dr. Kavorkian around willing to assist them, then so be it.

But alas suicide is illegal. It is a crime to kill yourself, or even attempt it. It is considered a violent crime for which you are both the assailant and the victim. Under these terms they actually use it to strip you of your rights and can detain you indefinitely if a doctor deems it necessary. And I don't know about the rest of you, but some of the things they do in those situations I find far more cruel than assisted suicide (if you know any one who spent time in an children's mental facility, ask them what the 'green burrito' is, it'll make you sick).

[hookiethe1]

They legalized euthanasia in Australia a few years back in what was considered a very humane and unselfish law by people. But the the churchies piped in and kicked up enough shit to have the law overturned. Just one more reason why I fucking hate churches.

lordofduct, on 04 May 2011 - 07:55 AM, said:

(if you know any one who spent time in an children's mental facility, ask them what the 'green burrito' is, it'll make you sick).

Well you have to tell us now, google doesn't seem to know anything about it.

This post has been edited by hookiethe1: 04 May 2011 - 08:00 AM

[BenignDesign]

If I have cheap, tawdry, dirty, drunken sex with you and halfway through, I sober up and change my mind, while I may for a while wander in a haze of self-loathing and regret, I will still have the opportunity to cleanse my netherregions in bleach and delousing agents and move on to a potentially productive life.

If I have you nail me to a cross and leave me in the middle of nowhere and halfway through I change my mind... I'm kind of nailed to a fucking cross alone in the middle of nowhere.

[modi123_1]

BenignDesign, on 04 May 2011 - 09:50 AM, said:

modi123_1, on 04 May 2011 - 10:47 AM, said:

between two consenting adults.

I really don't think death follows the same rules as rape.

That was to quell any sort off shoot hypothetical scenarios such as filicide or where the intent of the one dying is not suicide.

Plus who is to say the assistant didn't stay there the whole time? You know... chilled out, smoked some pot, and drank a beer or two.

[lordofduct]

@hookie

I've heard it called numerous things, depending the hospital, mainly because some hospitals have different coloured ones. But the most common one I've heard of is a green one, and it is usually nick-named the green burrito (it's a sea green, with a blue hue to it, this colour is common in hospitals for its 'calming' traits, srsly, no lie).

What it is is a long green cloth tube with ties at the ends. There is a network of long steel rods in the cloth running the length of the tube. When a child is restrained they are placed into the tube with just their head sticking out. If they twist their body or move a limb the design of the structure causes the rods to tighten on the person restricting that movement and inflicting "minor" pain. The more chaotic or furious the movement, the tighter it clamps (think like a chinese finger trap).

It's the children's equivalent of a straight jacket.

I've seen it used on 7 year olds.

I have heard from other's that their hospital lacked metal rods and instead it was wood dowels or even nylon rope lengths. I guess they started realizing that minor was a subjective statement.




note, no I personally did not attend any hospital as a child. They said I was 'normal',

This post has been edited by lordofduct: 04 May 2011 - 08:15 AM

[hookiethe1]

BenignDesign, on 04 May 2011 - 08:03 AM, said:

If I have cheap, tawdry, dirty, drunken sex with you and halfway through, I sober up and change my mind,

The polite thing to do in that situation would be to just wait the other 8 seconds till I'm done, no need to ruin both our nights!

This post has been edited by hookiethe1: 04 May 2011 - 08:11 AM

[v0rtex]

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What it is is a long green cloth tube with ties at the ends. There is a network of long steel rods in the cloth running the length of the tube. When a child is restrained they are placed into the tube with just their head sticking out. If they twist their body or move a limb the design of the structure causes the rods to tighten on the person restricting that movement and inflicting minor pain. The more chaotic or furious the movement, the tighter it clamps.

It's the children's equivalent of a straight jacket.

I've seen it used on 7 year olds.

Wow, that is a rather extreme way to restrain a child, why is it they don't just use a straight-jacket?