[KeyWiz]

When I was a kid, ciggarettes used to say "The Surgeon General has Decided that ciggarette smoking may be hazzardous to you health"
Later they changed it to"

"Smoking has been known to cause Cancer"

now they say

"Smoking causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy"

They used to say, second hand smoking is detrimental to public health.

Then they said

Second Hand Smoke is nearly as bad as smoking is.

Then they said

Second Hand Smoke is MORE detrimental than Smoking.

Now they say smoking 1 to 3 ciggarettes a day carries the same risk as smoking 2 packs a day.

Next they will say, Smoking carries no higher risk of Cancer, Heart Disease . . . than Not Smoking.

and Eventually they will say

Smoking ciggarettes can prevent Cancer, heart disease, . . . caused by contaminants in the polution caused by everything else.

This post has been edited by KeyWiz: 05 February 2007 - 11:40 AM

[capty99]

horacio, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 10:27 AM, said:

the thing is, the goverment has the obligation to protect us, even if that means protecting us from ourselfs.

are you high?

[Thorian]

I used to smoke up untill a month a go. Started approximately 15 years ago. I quit 1 month ago and quitting has been the best thing that has ever happened to my wallet.

Unfortunately as I sit here working on this laptop that the customer smoked (litterally) there is so much tar and nicotine built up that I am getting sick just touching it.

I have to use gloves to even touch it cause im getting light headed and feel like im going to puke. not to mention the smell as this thing oozes its noxous odor.

[fooboo]

Britain is slowly working it's way towards a fascist state. I think the next step is "you can only smoke in your bedroom under the covers as long as you live alone in the woods"

I smoke cigarettes, cigars, and a pipe all in moderation. I smoke because I enjoy it.
I understand other people not wanting to breath my smoke if they don't enjoy it but the laws are going too far and not all are as good/effective as they think.

One of side effect of establishments banning their customers from smoking is that there has been an increase in the numbers of people who smoke at home instead with their children.

One of the ironies of the government clamping down on smoking is they make buttloads of cash from the taxes on it.

For every £1 the NHS spends on treating smokers, £3 is given by smokers in taxes on their cigarettes so if everyone in Britain stops smoking the NHS is going to lose a serious amount of funding.

People are eating themsleves to death over here and drinking themselves to death...but we've just extended drinking hours and no-one is trying to stop you eating in public.

The extended drinking hours may lead to more responsible drinking as people have no need to rush anymore but the eating is going unchecked.

You can set up ventilated smoking rooms...there's no need to ban people from their pubs.

[WolfCoder]

I can see the reason to ban smoking in public buildings, it makes perfect sense. If the person is smoking outside, I do not care. However, smelling smoke gives me an instantaneous headache or sometimes even a migraine. I'm extremely sensitive to cigarette smoke. I also have an extremely low alcohol tolerance to go with it.

[eLliDKraM]

capty99, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 04:04 PM, said:

horacio, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 10:27 AM, said:

the thing is, the goverment has the obligation to protect us, even if that means protecting us from ourselfs.

are you high?

first thing i have ever read from keywiz that i like

[WolfCoder]

Capty wins!

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 05 February 2007 - 03:54 PM

[eLliDKraM]

that fuckin wasn't even keywiz, what keywiz said was stupid, so is what i said because i can't read. go horacio!

[supersloth]

i make everyone who comes over smoke in the garage or out front (front is actually nice in the summer since we have the couch and everything)

[fooboo]

WolfCoder, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 03:44 PM, said:

I can see the reason to ban smoking in public buildings, it makes perfect sense.

I don't see why they can't have ventilated smoking rooms. They had this in pubs before they started banning stuff. You had the choice, go into the smoking area and breath smoke or don't go in there and don't breath it...nothing wrong with that as long as you had the choice.

It can get cold over here, in the winter you can end up freezing your nuts off and getting wet when there's no real reason to penalise someone like that.

I get choked up by perfume (other peoples...I don't wear it myself). It goes straight to the back of my throat. If we're banning noxious airborne substances that'd be top of my list.

This post has been edited by fooboo: 05 February 2007 - 04:01 PM

[WolfCoder]

fooboo, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 04:01 PM, said:

WolfCoder, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 03:44 PM, said:

I can see the reason to ban smoking in public buildings, it makes perfect sense.

I don't see why they can't have ventilated smoking rooms. They had this in pubs before they started banning stuff.

Well, the reason is because they already do have separate ventilation and everything (for places like that built after the regulation was passed).

As for the perfume, any kind will make me choke.

This post has been edited by WolfCoder: 05 February 2007 - 04:04 PM

[eLliDKraM]

most technological contraption they'd come up with around here would be something dubbed "the exhale bucket". a ventilated smoking room is way beyond the bars around here

[fooboo]

They going to be dismantled. It'll be illegal to smoke in pubs even if they have a seperate room. I can't remember if it's next summer or last that the law is due to be passed/was passed?

But either way they are getting rid of a fair working solution and replacing it with selective nannying.

[Ellie]

fooboo, on 5 Feb, 2007 - 11:06 PM, said:

They going to be dismantled. It'll be illegal to smoke in pubs even if they have a seperate room. I can't remember if it's next summer or last that the law is due to be passed/was passed?

It is coming into effect here in April this year. I guess if you didn't notice whether we have a smoking ban yet, then you aren't gonna be affected much? I would agree that Britain is getting nanny stateish though.

The only problem I see is that living opposite a hospital which has already banned smoking in it's grounds, the hospital staff now hang around on my street smoking. Thanks a lot NHS Like it's not bad enough that they park their cars outside my house because the hospital charges it's own staff to park inside the hospital car parks.....I wouldn't mind if they could actually park without using my car and my van as parking sensors.

This post has been edited by Ellie: 05 February 2007 - 04:52 PM

[maggie_noodles]

This may seem odd for me to say. But I guess these laws are for the benefit of everybody.

1. For the general non-smoking public: they ban smoking in public unless in a designated smoking area for health and hygiene reasons.

2. For the government: they ban smoking in public because they have this indirect responsibilities over its subordinates.

3. For the government: they can't totally ban smoking because they profit from it.

4. For the smoking public: banning us (I stopped 4 months ago) from smoking in public, unless in a designated area, teaches us how to become responsible citizens. Teaches us not to be selfish at least.

Plain and simple.