[ConciselyVerbose]

I read all of them. I gave up at some point on trying to be a voice of reason, though. No one would have that.

[farrell2k]

depricated, on 16 July 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

I mean you, assuming that because they're white they're racist.

I was being sarcastic.

atraub, on 16 July 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

That may be true, but that doesn't change the inherent truth that Trayvon was in absolutely no danger until he started throwing punches.

I'd say that someone following you in the dead of night is a pretty dangerous situation. In fact, it's the sort of situation where people get shot.....

[Sergio Tapia]

[farrell2k]

If you believe anything this dope says on the above video, you are truly a gullible fool.

[Bort]

Ok, so a couple of things I've picked up from the last few pages...

All this to and fro about whether or not the dead guy felt threatened or not. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If he felt threatened, why didn't he walk faster? Why did he stop and, apparently, attack the person walking behind him?

Also, I think someone pointed out that he would be stupid to attack someone with a gun. Yet, someone else said Zimmerman had a license for a concealed weapon, so how would TK (MK? TM? - The dead guy) know he had a weapon?

I've not bothered looking at that video, but from what has been said, Zimmerman was an idiot for following him in the first place, and TK (or whatever) was an idiot for attacking someone who happened to be walking down the street behind him.

Someone died, that sucks. Both dead guy and living guy share some portion of the blame, but the incident could have been avoided by either one of them. I think everyone needs to stop and consider that instead of jumping on one bandwagon or the other. Criminal negligence, I don't think so. Now, if stupidity was a criminal act, then I could have seen both people involved doing time. Negligence involves intent, I just think Zimmerman just didn't think.

Oh, and of course, because the kid was black, that automatically makes it a race hate crime and/or conspiracy. Right, farrell2k?

[BenignDesign]

If the kid had been, like, a black lesbian, we could go for the discrimination trifecta!!

[supersloth]

Bort, on 17 July 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

Oh, and of course, because the kid was black, that automatically makes it a race hate crime and/or conspiracy. Right, farrell2k? />

well considering he was being followed because zimmerman racially profiled him...

[BenignDesign]

I was under the impression he was profiled for his hoodie, not his race.

[supersloth]

he mentioned the race of trayvon on the phone (after being prompted), so he knew when he called in. i guess that's up to interpretation, but it seems to be rooted in more evidence than everyone STILL saying trayvon attacked first.

edit: there's also a difference in racial profiling between citizens and law enforcement, which is why the jury was instructed not to use any evidence that this crime may have involved racial profiling. as a shitty private citizen vigilante, he's allowed to racially profile, even if it makes him a scumbag.

This post has been edited by supersloth: 17 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

[macosxnerd101]

Bort, on 17 July 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Criminal negligence, I don't think so. Now, if stupidity was a criminal act, then I could have seen both people involved doing time. Negligence involves intent, I just think Zimmerman just didn't think.

I thought we already showed criminal negligence. This is a crime commonly used when dealing with drunk drivers killing or injuring others. Did the drunk guy intend to kill or injure people? Probably not.

And aren't a number of crimes, especially misdemeanors and low-class felonies, the result of poor judgement and stupidity?

[Bort]

supersloth, on 17 July 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

well considering he was being followed because zimmerman racially profiled him...

If this really was the case, then perhaps Farrell is onto something. Maybe it really is a great white conspiracy. Racially profiled and selected as a target, and the Republican Wives Club got him off the hook.

They'll be hunting hispanics next...

[supersloth]

some hispanics are white. this is gonna be difficult.

[no2pencil]

atraub, on 16 July 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

The fact that he carried a gun was not irresponsible; it likely saved his life. Had he not had it, he'd just be another dead guy that you've never heard of.

In all fairness, if Zimmerman was not carrying the gun he would have most likely stood down when the dispatcher told him to do so, when he initially called the police. The gun didn't save his life in this situation, it gave him courage to do something stupid. He got his ass kicked for doing something stupid & then he found himself in a dangerous situation. A situation that he made worse by shooting TM.

[BenignDesign]

no2pencil, on 17 July 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

if Zimmerman was not carrying the gun he would have most likely stood down when the dispatcher told him to do so, when he initially called the police. The gun didn't save his life in this situation, it gave him courage to do something stupid.

THIS. So. much. this.

[modi123_1]

no2pencil, on 17 July 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

atraub, on 16 July 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

The fact that he carried a gun was not irresponsible; it likely saved his life. Had he not had it, he'd just be another dead guy that you've never heard of.

In all fairness, if Zimmerman was not carrying the gun he would have most likely stood down when the dispatcher told him to do so, when he initially called the police. The gun didn't save his life in this situation, it gave him courage to do something stupid. He got his ass kicked for doing something stupid & then he found himself in a dangerous situation. A situation that he made worse by shooting TM.

This is debatable. I've seen plenty of folk do stupid shit sans weapons. At best - all that can be told is with a gun someone had a substantially larger percentage of being shot. It harkens back to the Chapelle sketch of 'When keeping it real goes wrong'.