[BrainStew]

NO no NO!.... fine

[Nova Dragoon]

supersloth, on 21 Sep, 2007 - 04:36 PM, said:

for loops are in most languages dudes. in fact i really can't name one off the top of my head that doesn't.

lisp, scheme, assembly, should I continue?

[supersloth]

i said off the top of my head so my statement is still correct. plus i've never used any of those, thus my reasoning with a solid cover-my-ass kind of statement. <3

[skyhawk133]

Nova Dragoon, on 21 Sep, 2007 - 05:25 PM, said:

supersloth, on 21 Sep, 2007 - 04:36 PM, said:

for loops are in most languages dudes. in fact i really can't name one off the top of my head that doesn't.

lisp, scheme, assembly, should I continue?

OOOOHO SICK BURN!!!!

[supersloth]

TOO LATE FAGGOT

[Thorian]

tygerberg, on 21 Sep, 2007 - 12:23 PM, said:

I am a PROUD Catholic and people that believe we worship Mother Mary are seriously misinformed. To those who say they don't care and if they are also Christians, it is a fact that the Catholic Church was started by Jesus. And let it be known that the Catholic Church has been in existence for over 2000 years, we have kept our traditions. Can you say the same for your Christian church(that has broken away from the Catholic Church not too long ago).

For those misguided.

Well Tygerberg


During a recent discussion with an acquaintance the subject of religion came
up. Now for some of you who do not know me I am a Heathen, a Theodsman in
fact. No that doesnt mean I am an atheist but rather that I believe in and
worship the gods that my Germanic ancestors did. As a Theodsman I am a religious
Reconstructionist who is attempting to model my relations with my Gods,
ancestors and the natural world on the methods of the ancient pre-Christian
Germanic. It is something that has given me much happiness in my life and has
helped me forge long standing, deep relationships with people who have similar
spiritual goals. This growing understanding of my ancestral heritage has been an
incredibly positive influence in me and I have prospered in all facets of my
life because of it.

When describing my religious outlook to my friend he was quite open to the
ideas and beliefs that I put forward. After we had discussed this for a while
he claimed that as a Christian he could never believe what I do but as an
American and a man he felt that it was his sincerest wish to be tolerant of all
sorts of ideas. He let me know how much he disagreed with those Christians
who are constantly proselytizing and that he honestly viewed opinions and
beliefs with tolerance. He even displayed a genuine interest in my views and
commented on the soundness of my reasoning. I continued my conversation with him
and we are still friends but I couldn't help but to feel very insulted.
Yes, I was insulted. Offended by a friend who had nothing but the best
intentions during the conversation and he has no idea how or why he insulted me. I
know many of you reading this are also confused as to how I could be
insulted by a man who was genuinely open and accepting of my not so mainstream
ideals. What insulted me was his tolerance. The very principle he, as a liberal,
progressive Christian, thinks of as a paramount social ideal had me incensed.
I understand he means no harm nor did he purposely proffer insult but the
very idea that my beliefs are to be tolerated by others strikes an ill chord in
me.
Being tolerant of others faith is seen a sign of respect and acceptance. Is
tolerance not a virtue to be admired and strived for in todays multicultural
American society? If so, why was I insulted by my well intentioned colleague?
It is the very nature of tolerance that offends me. Tolerance requires
permission. When someone tolerates something they are allowing it or approving of
it through their own forbearance. The word and condition implies that there
is inherently something wrong with or inconvenient about the tolerated
activity. Only with the kind permission of folks who are willing to put up with such
activity will it be allowed. Tolerance is by its very nature condescending.
The ideal that folks are actually suggesting is acceptance. However most
people dont really accept deep seated beliefs that are contrary to everything
they believe. A Christian who sincerely believes in the absolute truth of the
Bible or a Muslim who is carefully following the teachings of Mohammed simply
cannot with any spiritually honesty accept the worship of Heathen Gods. It
would be directly in opposition to the most profound tenets of their faith. No
one can realistically expect this of anyone nor can such acceptance be forced
through statute, political correctness, or multiculturalism.
So if tolerance is unacceptable and acceptance is unrealistic what is left?
Is there a societal condition that will allow me to live my life and worship
my Gods and Ancestors without the permission of others? Yes, there is indeed
a better principle. There is a virtue, a social paradigm that is the highest
_expression of such living. Liberty.
The Founding Fathers recognized the simple, basic human importance of
liberty when it was placed as one of only three named unalienable Rights in the
Declaration of Independence:
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal,
that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..
Unalinable Rights were seen by the framers to be nontransferrable, above
repudiation and not awarded by another. These are inherent states of the human
condition. Liberty in the context of this declaration is the individuals
immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority and the individual freedom from
compulsion.
In modern Western society the ideal is the same. I have the liberty to not
be forced to believe that my folk were created by a Middle Eastern diety.
Christians have the unalienable right to believe their folk were indeed created
by such a being. We then both have the liberty to venerate our respective Gods
in whatever manner we choose provided it does not infringe upon the life,
liberty, or pursuit of happiness of another. Once we recognize each others
liberty we can then begin to find a mutual respect for each others right to do as
we please.
With the recognition of Liberty there is no need for condescending state of
tolerance between men. There is also no need for the unrealistic concession
of acceptance. With Liberty we simply recognize the individuals right to
believe as he pleases and his freedom to follow that belief. It is simple, it
plants the seeds of respect, and it quells most religious arguments. I may
believe Christians are wrong in their assessment of the divine but I fully
recognize their liberty to think as they choose. I simply expect the same from them.
I do not beg for tolerance. I do not expect acceptance. I do however demand
Liberty.

[nirvanarupali]

A science without a religion is IMMORAL and religion without science is a fairy tale.

If you want to talk a topic like this, be sure that the people has really the background about philosophy as a whole. It is because, philosophy is prerequisite course to theology.

Things to ponder:

1.) What stuff? What the world made of? Does nothing produces something? or something must come from something else.
-Reference books. "Ancient Philosophy", "Sophies World" by Jostien Gaarder

2.) Is there a God? if there is, how do we know the existence of God? How can we prove the existence of God. How about the problem of Evil?
- Reference books. "Medieval Philosophy". "Summa Theologica"
by St. Thomas Aquinas.

In philosophy, there are more questions than answers.

With respect to the question: The Christians venerate Mary Mother of Jesus and they worship the Holy One God.








JUST IN CASE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO HELL. WHEN YOU DIE YOU CAN ATTEST THIS WORDS.

Vision of hell By St. Faustina


No One Can Say There is No Hell
Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like...how terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God's mercy upon them. O My Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend you by the least sin." (Diary 741)


http://www.divinemer....com/vision.htm


For "Divine Mercy Miracles"

http://our.homewithg...mercy/miracles/

This post has been edited by nirvanarupali: 21 September 2007 - 07:42 PM

[supersloth]

St Faustina was a person, and that person didn't know jack shit.

[nirvanarupali]

supersloth, on 21 Sep, 2007 - 11:53 PM, said:

St Faustina was a person, and that person didn't know jack shit.

Well you deserve for what you say....even your name...you deserve your name. Your username really fits you, what kind of person you are.

This post has been edited by nirvanarupali: 22 September 2007 - 12:31 AM

[Thorian]

Of corce there is a hel but the concept of hel was stolen from the prechristian scandinavians along with all of their holy days and customs.

But you are wrong Hell Is not a place of fire and brimstone that was added by the desert religion. Hel is the goddess of the underworld and she has many halls. Some are quite nice some are rather nasty. Picture being frozen in a glacier for eternity for that all you have to do is kill your kinfolk.

[GWatt]

Thorian, on 22 Sep, 2007 - 10:45 AM, said:

Of corce there is a hel but the concept of hel was stolen from the prechristian scandinavians along with all of their holy days and customs.

But you are wrong Hell Is not a place of fire and brimstone that was added by the desert religion. Hel is the goddess of the underworld and she has many halls. Some are quite nice some are rather nasty. Picture being frozen in a glacier for eternity for that all you have to do is kill your kinfolk.

I would have to imagine that the concept of Hell was not taken from the pre-Christian Scandinavians, but was instead influenced heavily by the Jewish concept of Sheol, since Christianity was just a radical Jewish sect for some time. I also do not believe that Christianity stole its holy days from the Scandinavian holy days. I know that Christmas corresponds to the Roman celebration of the winter solstice. I don't know how the date for Easter is decided, and I don't feel like looking it up right now. I do know that it has something to do with when one of the full moons happens. I doubt that the date for Easter was taken from the Norse.
However, the English names for the weekdays and for Hell are definitely taken from the Norse names.

[snoj]

Damn heathens, atheists, agnostics, etc., and all others who took this topic off topic! This topic is about whether or not the Catholics are justified in how they venerate Mary, not which religion (if any) is true.

[GWatt]

hotsnoj, on 22 Sep, 2007 - 07:49 PM, said:

Damn heathens, atheists, agnostics, etc., and all others who took this topic off topic! This topic is about whether or not the Catholics are justified in how they venerate Mary, not which religion (if any) is true.

Topics that are touchy like politics and religion are bound to go off on tangents. I know that the original poster only wanted to know what most people think the status of Mary is in the Catholic Church, but we are still discussing religion. We could be discussing whether or not iPods are better that Zunes, but we are more or less on topic.
Besides poll already takes care of the original question, and I think that leaves the thread free to branch out into general theology.

[axel]

hotsnoj, on 22 Sep, 2007 - 04:49 PM, said:

Damn heathens, atheists, agnostics, etc., and all others who took this topic off topic! This topic is about whether or not the Catholics are justified in how they venerate Mary, not which religion (if any) is true.

haha INDEED!

[fooboo]

GWatt, on 22 Sep, 2007 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't know how the date for Easter is decided, and I don't feel like looking it up right now.

Eostre

I thought the whole point of Mary is that she was just a straight nothing-special human. I wouldn't venerate her myself.