[depricated]

supersloth, on 23 July 2014 - 08:40 PM, said:

you're fucking dumb.

Yore*

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[alapee]

We use:
Direct Supervision on a Bios Pass worded, Windows pass worded computer. I have nice little intrusion switch setup to to notify me my kids decided it time to change the jumpers.

Other than that We have our console systems monitored and my oldest's phone is on our Verizon account.

Violation result in a 1 week no technology grounding per incident.

Currently, my oldest is grounded for a week.

[cyborghost]

Parental control is the dumbest thing around. As everyone has said, they will find a way around it, I always did. There was nothing my parents could do to stop me from doing anything I wanted. All it creates is a challenge to overcome (which if you want your kid to think quick on their feet then be my guest and challenge them). I remember when my mom tried to do that and it just pissed me off. It's not her business what I look at. I wasn't talking to strangers about me going to their house, I was looking at sex. You know the thing we are all pre programmed to do, one of the most basic instinct. I was in no way putting myself in dangers way.

Here's a thought: Would you rather your kid look at porn and masturbate or go have sex? One or the other will happen and yes sometimes both will happen but I can assure you that one will.

Any way I agree with the first reply, the best method is to have open communication and trust with your child so you both don't need to hide things.

depricated, on 23 July 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

supersloth, on 23 July 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

that's why my kids always use our heroin den and never a strangers heroin den.

Faulty comparison is faulty.

But it's unsurprising you think of porn as comparable to heroin.

All he is saying is he'd rather them do things under his/her care so they know their kids is being safe about it rather then some where else where the adult doesn't care therefore the child is in dangers way. There is no actual comparison between porn and heroin.

[depricated]

cyborghost, on 25 July 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

depricated, on 23 July 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

supersloth, on 23 July 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

that's why my kids always use our heroin den and never a strangers heroin den.

Faulty comparison is faulty.

But it's unsurprising you think of porn as comparable to heroin.

All he is saying is he'd rather them do things under his/her care so they know their kids is being safe about it rather then some where else where the adult doesn't care therefore the child is in dangers way. There is no actual comparison between porn and heroin.

If that's what he meant he shouldn't have used hyperbole on the subject. It came across as a condemnation of "safer at home" by the hyperbolic comparison.

My parents let me drink and get high at home because they knew I was going to do it and would rather I did it in a safe environment than go ride around in the back of my friend's car while we're all drinking and smoking up, and winding up dead. So I'd have friends over and we'd make every effort to hide what we were doing, and I'd get yelled at if caught, but they taught me, by doing this, how to be responsible in indulging.

[supersloth]

that's neither anything i said or meant you purposefully obtuse assholes.

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[BenignDesign]

Regardless what you meant in that previous post, I love this line:

supersloth, on 25 July 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

you purposefully obtuse assholes.

[modi123_1]

Obtuse assholes?! So you *HAVE* seen my instructable tutorial on achieving goatsee!

[depricated]

supersloth, on 25 July 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

that's neither anything i said or meant you purposefully obtuse assholes.

Perhaps if both of us are misunderstanding what you're saying you should learn to communicate better.

[supersloth]

perhaps if you had a sense of humor you would realize the hyperbole was used to emphasize the ridiculousness for a joke, something to designed to cause amusement or laughter. was it defined properly for you, depricatedbot?

seriously, the fuck is wrong with you? it was about heroin dens.

[Choscura]

When I was 13 or so, my dad started trying to block the internet. First with something called "Integrity Online", which was the christian fundamentalist version of "Jesus Web", and was a monthly subscription service- you could browse unblocked if you had the admin password, and you could request that blocked sites be unblocked.

Naturally, my first solution was to use the early proxies- such as babelfish translate- but these were slow, and a real pain to use. Not much later, I figured out that I could get to the admin console and request the password- which would be emailed to my dad, on his (non-password-protected) computer. So I'd click "resend my password" at like 1 AM, well after the family was in bed, get the password, delete the email, and browse unhindered until the next time he got suspicious and changed it.

So I'm kind of preparing for my kids- my son is at the age where he's just starting to read, and I know I've only got a year or two before he has a facebook page and all that shit. I've screen scraped facebook before, and I have some idea of how I'd go about 'snooping' in an ethically defensible way with the major social media stuff, so I might throw a project like this together and open source it. Just something to throw up red flags for parents when, eg, porn, cyber bullying (yeah, yeah, whatever), and so on happen. Seems pretty simple to do a facebook app and android app track this stuff, and I don't plan on getting my kids iShit.

[ccubed]

Choscura, on 25 July 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

So I'm kind of preparing for my kids- my son is at the age where he's just starting to read, and I know I've only got a year or two before he has a facebook page and all that shit. I've screen scraped facebook before, and I have some idea of how I'd go about 'snooping' in an ethically defensible way with the major social media stuff, so I might throw a project like this together and open source it. Just something to throw up red flags for parents when, eg, porn, cyber bullying (yeah, yeah, whatever), and so on happen. Seems pretty simple to do a facebook app and android app track this stuff, and I don't plan on getting my kids iShit.

Or, you could not be a creep, talk to your kids and have them come tell you when they encounter these things. Because scraping facebook is quite honestly the creepiest kind of parental control. What are you going to do? Get on their facebook and block the person? Take them off facebook? Tell that mean cyber bully to stop? Tell me your intentions.

[Lieoften]

Craig328, on 23 July 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

I have used Netnanny (not sure they even make it anymore) and it was entirely adequate for keeping the home PC off sites I didn't want the kids going to.

That said, I did check router logs regularly to make sure.

Unless they've updated Netnanny, it's not very good. When i was... what? 12 or 14 years old, my dad had that installed on the computer and I could get around it simply by creating another account and logging into that one. ee

[lordofduct]

BenignDesign, on 23 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

I have two daughters - one preteen and one teenager. I solved the problem like so:

(1) they have no access to a home PC without my direct supervision,

(2) no internet access via gaming systems,

(3) Kindles are set up to require my password for wifi access (my password is 20 characters, selected randomly, and changes monthly),

(4) their smartphones are through Verizon which has (for an extra $5 monthly) a parental control setup that the parent line accesses from an app or directly from their VZW account online... this allows me to set content ratings for web access, as well as set monthly data limits on their lines (I don't allow them wifi access on their phones). It also gives me the option to brick their phones with the click of a button. Being grounded no longer means "we can't have our phones until mom goes to work tomorrow and we tear the house apart to find them", it now means "we get to keep our phones, but they won't do shit other than dial 911 until mom unbricks them", and

(5) if they piss me off, I'll gather up all the cables for all the electronics and take them with me to work in the morning so they can't so much as charge their phones or watch a DVD. Because I'm an ass like that. When momma says no, momma means no.

Ultimately, however, depricated is right. There is no substitute for parental involvement.

Honestly this is the best answer I read, and I assumed before hand that B9 would have been the one to give the best answer.

If I had kids this is pretty much what I'd do. If they got smart phones at all that is...

I understand the convenience of cell phones in this day and age. It is great to have the ability to easily get ahold of your child (or vice versa). I remember having to use payphones/friends phones/etc to contact home if I stayed after for something at school and what not.

But honestly... all the features a phone has. No. I'm not for that. A child does not yet have the sense of responsibility to be carrying around a camera/game machine/internet access device/driving distraction/etc. A phone that does more than allow me to contact my kid, or them contact me, that will wait for when they can afford to do it themselves with their own money.

This post has been edited by lordofduct: 25 July 2014 - 04:40 PM

[depricated]

Clamshell til yer 18!

supersloth, on 25 July 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

perhaps if you had a sense of humor you would realize the hyperbole was used to emphasize the ridiculousness for a joke, something to designed to cause amusement or laughter. was it defined properly for you, depricatedbot?

seriously, the fuck is wrong with you? it was about heroin dens.

A Serpent Guard, a Horus Guard, and a Setesh Guard meet on a planet. The Serpent Guard's eyes gleam. The Horus Guard's beak glistens. The Setesh Guard's nose drips.

BAAhahahahahaahhahaha

[edit: spelling is hurd]

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[Choscura]

ccubed, on 25 July 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Or, you could not be a creep, talk to your kids and have them come tell you when they encounter these things. Because scraping facebook is quite honestly the creepiest kind of parental control. What are you going to do? Get on their facebook and block the person? Take them off facebook? Tell that mean cyber bully to stop? Tell me your intentions.

Well, on the basis that I can't be everywhere at once, I want to not be on my kids facebook pages at all, ever, UNLESS I know there is a specific issue that I should be concerned about. In other words, it's up to me to teach them the rules, but it's up to them to learn to interact with other kids and resolve their differences without me acting on their behalf- but if somebody is at the point of telling them to kill themselves, I want to know who, when, where, etc., because at that point I'll intervene.

And the same goes for phones- the parental controls B9 talked about seem like a great idea, but I have NO intention of staying in the US, and so the second-rate phone systems here don't provide me with a real solution (hence my interest in developing something on this end also).

And, without having to look at every picture, just outright banning the upload of pictures and networked cameras (so no skype, no snapchat, etc) seems like a decent ground rule that removes the need for my oversight without seriously limiting interaction- they can skype with me around, for example, and they can manipulate pictures that are already online to do what they want- meme generators and so on- but they can't upload stuff privately (so no sexting, when they get to that age, and if my kids try cyber bullying, this keeps them from taking pictures of victims, and so puts a limit on that)

just so this is clear: they can take pictures, and store them on their phones, but the idea would be to 'lock' these so they can only be uploaded to a specific computer- mine- and only with a password enabling this- also mine.