[RodgerB]

Quoting Dark_Nexus's Sig: "Gods are man's worst creation." ~All Shall Perish - Herding the Brainwashed

A very interesting piece of information about one's views on creationism.
http://en.wikipedia....nd_developments

Religion is not science. Being sensitive about something not there, is however a science; insanity. I don't care about any religious evidence; it doesn't make me ignorant. It doesn't make me proud. It makes me, me, and no religion will take me into its greedy, needy, greasy hands, for the gratification of a torn up scroll and those intrigued by them.

[baavgai]

RodgerB, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 03:52 AM, said:

Religion is not science.

Very, very true. It's the height of absurdity to insist that someone else's set of beliefs conform to yours. This is why Intelligent Design is offensive to me, because it tries to wedge one system into another when they have nothing to do with one another. ( I have a Flying Spaghetti Monster icon as my desktop wallpaper. )

RodgerB, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 03:52 AM, said:

Being sensitive about something not there, is however a science; insanity.

No! It's called compassion, which also has nothing to do with science. It's fine to not believe what someone else believes. You may even find the beliefs of others offensive or simply wrong. Do you attempt to point out the illusions of others? Why? Are your convictions so fragile you need to force them on others?

Would you tell a child their favorite toy wasn't left by some fat guy in a red suit? Would you try to explain to them that the fat guy didn't exist and their parents left the toy? Would you drive home the point until the child's belief shattered and they were brought to tears? Of course, there is always a chance that the guy in red was Uncle Larry...

RodgerB, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 03:52 AM, said:

I don't care about any religious evidence; it doesn't make me ignorant. It doesn't make me proud. It makes me, me, and no religion will take me into its greedy, needy, greasy hands, for the gratification of a torn up scroll and those intrigued by them.

Fair enough. However, you place more into this than simply an atheist's credo. There's prejudice here, the assumption that religious belief and political agenda is one and the same. If you would claim truth as your path, then you should see broad generalizations of anything as counterproductive.

Sorry, I didn't mean to post again and am leaving for a long weekend. My words aren't mean to harm and future silence isn't meant to offend.

[GWatt]

RodgerB, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 03:52 AM, said:

Religion is not science.

I'm not so sure. religion and science both seek to answer many of the same questions. For example: "How did we get here?"

Both religion and science seek to explain the natural world.

Read Greek Mythology. The Greeks attempt to explain their world through their religion. They thought lightning was Zeus getting pissed. The winds caused by four brother in a mountain. Poseidon caused waves. Prometheus created humans and other animals out of clay.

I think science and religion are very similar.

[Programmist]

I think Karl Marx said it best...

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Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.
---Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

This post has been edited by Programmist: 30 November 2007 - 05:59 AM

[RodgerB]

baavgai, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 11:34 PM, said:

However, you place more into this than simply an atheist's credo.

Isn't it strange how we all fall into categories, like say if I didn't think their was a god, I'd become Atheist. If it were my choice, I'd make a religion called cbf, but then if I made a religion, I'd only add to the pool of thousands of other religious entities, then I'd have to make a bible. Seeing as the religion is called cbf, I'd only write one page, but thats beyond the point.

I was christened Protestant, but I don't entirely agree with everything they believe in. Thus I'd possibly not be welcome to celebrate something I don't have time to worry about.

baavgai, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 11:34 PM, said:

Do you attempt to point out the illusions of others? Why?

Because we are constantly fed information about religion from people with the illusion, that if we don't join them we shall rot in hell, if we don't sacrifice our eating habits our lord will eat us etc. I don't have a problem with those that choose to worship, I do however have a problem with those that take it upon themselves to "enlighten us", and proclaim the "good book" really is a good read, and all the other things like handing out pamphlets and giving you lengthy conversations if you decide to pass. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but myths and other unknown should be put to rest until they have been proven.

Also, I agree with what Programmist's Quote has to say.

This post has been edited by RodgerB: 30 November 2007 - 07:05 AM

[baavgai]

RodgerB, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 09:04 AM, said:

baavgai, on 30 Nov, 2007 - 11:34 PM, said:

Do you attempt to point out the illusions of others? Why?

Because we are constantly fed information about religion from people with the illusion, that if we don't join them we shall rot in hell, if we don't sacrifice our eating habits our lord will eat us etc. I don't have a problem with those that choose to worship, I do however have a problem with those that take it upon themselves to "enlighten us", and proclaim the "good book" really is a good read, and all the other things like handing out pamphlets and giving you lengthy conversations if you decide to pass. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but myths and other unknown should be put to rest until they have been proven.

Also, I agree with what Programmist's Quote has to say.

Off the to farm here. However, rather than leave on my former note...

I almost entirely agree. However, in evangelizing your belief that their beliefs are wrong, you become them. Not the best place to be.

I understand where Marx is coming from. However, he kind of has the same problem. No one is so bitter as the disillusioned. Marx's family converted, strangely having a profound effect on world history. It's the little things, sometimes.

Later.

[RodgerB]

I do believe there is something after death, I mean it would be a little bit unjust if nothing happened what-so-ever, but I'd rather not be barking up the wrong tree. I'd probably worship god if they made him look like a space dog or a lolcat, but in all seriousness; the subject is too serious.

What if everyone is worshiping God, and we find out it was a gaseous form that created us? I'm sure that gaseous form would be upset.

Anyway, I'll try to stop posting now, My opinions are not meant to harm or hurt someones feelings.

[nirvanarupali]

Thank you guys, I like your intelligent discussions and quotes from philosophers such as Pascal and Marx. That is what philosophy is all about. In philosophy there are more questions than answers. Contemporary philosophers still digging what is there in the rabbit's hole, to answer their own questions. And when they found it, new school of thought will be born.

I hope we end this topic now.

[WolfCoder]

Why do humans feel the need to explain these abstract concepts of life? How come they never really talk often about the little things such as how to eat some kinds of foods that can be difficult to eat or how they keep themselves from falling asleep on the train and missing their stop? Such things have a very deep meaning.

[Videege]

I know I can't fall asleep without thinking about the deep philosophical consequences of my everyday consumption of challenging foodstuffs.

[supersloth]

I always run thru the complications of eating a twinkie, on one hand, it's all processed and therefore unnatural and god should punish me for eating such atrocities. and on the other hand, all of the preprocessed goods were placed here by him, as if he wanted us to one day stumble upon the genius that is the man made twinkie. oh god my brain.

[RodgerB]

Sounds like a job for answer man!

[WolfCoder]

supersloth, on 1 Dec, 2007 - 04:08 AM, said:

I always run thru the complications of eating a twinkie, on one hand, it's all processed and therefore unnatural and god should punish me for eating such atrocities. and on the other hand, all of the preprocessed goods were placed here by him, as if he wanted us to one day stumble upon the genius that is the man made twinkie. oh god my brain.

Nah, I'm talking more about how to eat one without getting the cream everywhere. Who cares about god when you've made a mess with the filling getting everywhere (ok fundamentalists do but still).

[1lacca]

From bash.org:

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ElGarlic: Spending your life waiting for the messiah to come save the world is like waiting around for the straight piece to come in Tetris.
ElGarlic: Even if it comes, by that time you've accumulated a mountain of shit so high that you're fucked no matter what you do.

[WolfCoder]

1lacca, on 3 Dec, 2007 - 06:36 AM, said:

From bash.org:

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ElGarlic: Spending your life waiting for the messiah to come save the world is like waiting around for the straight piece to come in Tetris.
ElGarlic: Even if it comes, by that time you've accumulated a mountain of shit so high that you're fucked no matter what you do.

Ahaha, I keep screwing myself over when I try to build up a Tetris in that game. It never comes! It doesn't! And then I end up busting the field up.