[BenignDesign]

Only because they couldn't afford the products he was hocking. They didn't matter enough to screw.

[xclite]

BenignDesign, on 15 January 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

They didn't matter enough to screw.

Story of my love life

[depricated]

you and me both, brother

[ArtificialSoldier]

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For example, there are whole communities of Tzotzil corn farmers in the highlands of Chiapas who he never screwed over even a little bit.

I've already spent far too much time at my desk trying to disprove this, but I bet there's at least one philanthropic program that Jobs canceled that causes those corn farmers to say "chinga Steve Jobs".

[jon.kiparsky]

Except they'd say it in Tzotzil. Pity I never learned how to say that when I was working on Mayan languages...

[Martyr2]

Well I do have to say that he was a good marketer and salesman. No doubts about that. However, I think he was also good at taking relatively complex things and focusing on making them simple. Sure there were Mp3 players before the ipod, but the ipod made playing and accessing them much easier to do. The 1...2...3 and your done idea. Sounds simple, but in tech we often lose sight of the end goal which is to get those who are not tech savvy to accomplish things they want to do quickly, simply and reliably. I love PCs, I love code, I love the ability to do endless things but one thing PCs typically get wrong is lots of complexity. You can almost always take something a PC user does and cut the number of steps in half. He was good at showing end users that it doesn't have to be a chore.

Now look at the products out there at try to copy Apple? Prime example, Samsung. Almost all modern phones from Samsung (and other phones) mimic the minimalism and simplicity that Apple introduced.

[jon.kiparsky]

Martyr2, on 17 January 2016 - 02:51 PM, said:

I think he was also good at taking relatively complex things and focusing on making them simple

I would say simplistic, not simple. If you look at the typical Apple interface, it's a nanny state model - it's easy to do what the interface wants you to do, it's generally painful to do what you want to do. (and yes, Samesung has gone along with this wholeheartedly)
The only thing about Apple's approach that I like is the fact that I can get it done quickly. If I don't want to screw around thinking for myself, Apple's the way to go. On the other hand, if it matters what I choose, and it matters enough that I'm going to spend time thinking about it, then I'm not going to use Apple. (this is why employers hand out Apple laptops to their employees, but nobody uses Apple servers)

Fortunately for me, I'm able to completely ignore the GUI side of the Apple machine I use (because employers hand them out), so I end up with a POSIX-compliant machine that runs vagrant and has a browser, which is more or less all I care about as a developer, and I can turn it off and stow it when I care about doing something that isn't programming.

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Now look at the products out there at try to copy Apple? Prime example, Samsung. Almost all modern phones from Samsung (and other phones) mimic the minimalism and simplicity that Apple introduced.

So he made a fad. Big schmeal - do you remember the name of the guy who created the hula hoop? How about the designer who made big tailfins obligatory on cars in the 1950s? People aren't copying "simplicity", they're copying the thing that's selling. If he'd been able to sell mobiles the size of ghetto blasters and laptops with paisley cases, people would be copying that.

[h4nnib4l]

I was genuinely baffled that the iPod took off at all, but in retrospect of course I should have seen it coming. My thought process was always along the lines of "why would I buy a really expensive version of my MP3 player that uses a proprietary file format that seems to make the files bigger than the MP3's that they were converted from, and be locked into a management application that was a total PITA?" I mean, I understood the low hanging fruit of having a fancy version of the MP3 player that was easier to use if you just sold your soul and didn't care for a path back, but I guess I wasn't disenfranchised enough with humanity back then to understand that that would be enough for so many people.

[aidenkael]

jon.kiparsky, on 17 January 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

I would say simplistic, not simple. If you look at the typical Apple interface, it's a nanny state model - it's easy to do what the interface wants you to do, it's generally painful to do what you want to do. (and yes, Samesung has gone along with this wholeheartedly)

This. This right here. Kiparsky you have done it again.....

[Thecasualcoder]

Lol,These replies are entertaining to read😂

[Thecasualcoder]

It should be in his wiki profile

[modi123_1]

... what should be?

[depricated]

Anything you want. It's wikipedia.

[Nitewalkr]

Wikipedia says nothing but truth about Jobs.

[depricated]

bullshit I found inaccuracies in the very first sentence:

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Steven Paul "Steve" Jobs (/ˈdʒɒbz/; February 24, 1955 – October 5, 2011) was an American information technology entrepreneur and inventor.

You have to invent something to be an inventor. He didn't invent shit.