[depricated]

I like to think that all of us qualify as testers to one degree or another...

we do test our code at least right?

Started recording an album last night with one band, and the other is recording an EP in 3 weeks.

[Nitewalkr]

I am not against the QC man, I just wanted to know. like we do our tests...

I haven't gotten in the habit of running my code in debugging mode and figure out what does my code do. So I don't exactly test my code.

[modi123_1]

How.. how... do you write code that you do not need to debug, ever? Are you not building anything complex, or do you live in a magical land of unicorns and psykers where everything you type out automagically works the first time?

figure out what does my code do.

You did write it, correct? I mean - you *should* know what your code does.

[NeoTifa]

depricated, on 23 June 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

I like to think that all of us qualify as testers to one degree or another...

we do test our code at least right?

YES, THANK YOU! Some devs *coughespeciallyshittydevthatsleavingcough* seem to think testing is solely for testers, and that JUnits are simply a "suggestion", then complain because their builds fail, they have over 9000 defects to fix, and there are so many prod defects that they don't get good reviews/raises. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I WONDER WHY?!?!?!?!

I am the only full time tester here that I know of.

[Nitewalkr]

I know what my code does, but when it crashes and I am doing something complex than I have to review the code and figure out where have I screwed up. That's how I have been coding till today.

I don't cheat if that is what you are implying. Still learning, but I would never cheat.

[NeoTifa]

Test Driven Development, TDD, look it up and follow it. As long as you have clear requirements, and your code follows them to a T without breaking any other code in the process, you're fine.

[modi123_1]

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doing something complex than I have to review the code and figure out where have I screwed up

Okay, let's explore this a bit more. Are you saying you do not use any debugging tools to stop through the code, examine exceptions, etc but just.. stare at it until you uncover the problem? That seems tiring and tedious.

[depricated]

even just functional testing is important, and being able to debug is a huge boon. Nite, what are you using to learn? Are you in school, or just teaching yourself?

Cheating is contextual. There's nothing wrong with asking for help or advice, or using tools that make the job easier - that's not cheating. Cheating is just stealing other peoples work, or like using an answer key for a test. Debugging, unit testing, not cheating.

[Nitewalkr]

modi123_1, on 23 June 2016 - 08:07 AM, said:

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doing something complex than I have to review the code and figure out where have I screwed up

Okay, let's explore this a bit more. Are you saying you do not use any debugging tools to stop through the code, examine exceptions, etc but just.. stare at it until you uncover the problem? That seems tiring and tedious.

You are welcome to explore it.

Yes it is tedious and tiresome, It is the only practice I've known from 10 years ago. Back than, there were hardly any QCs around and we were told to learn to read the code and errors. I did say that I have to get in a habit of running my code through a debugger.

@Dep: I am currently upgrading courses at some private institute. Here the teacher doesn't really care how I do things as long as I get things done. But, like I said, still have to get in the habit of debugging.

[astonecipher]

I have been doing this longer than 10 years and have been using debugging tools. Reading the code is good, but stepping through code is more important to be able to catch logic errors.

I don't subscribe to full TDD, but incremental checks to ensure this piece works, and it breaks when this is added has been a long standing way of development.

If you test based on how you know the system works, there will always be outliers that are missed. Never underestimate users. They will always do what you don't expect.

[jon.kiparsky]

I've worked in shops that did not have tests as part of the codebase.
I do not intend to ever work in a shop like that, unless I'm specifically hired to rehabilitate a codebase.

[modi123_1]

.. like tests for every single function and method? Ewww.. That's what patches are for.

[ArtificialSoldier]

HEY EVERYONE, THE BREXIT VOTE IS TODAY! This is an exciting time! I have high confidence that after today I will no longer have to hear British people say "Brexit" on NPR so much. I can't wait!


Today I got to log in to the server where our largest client is hosted, and manually delete all the PHP sessions. I've always wanted to do that...
All of the accounts are being moved to a new server, so I swapped the login pages for placeholders, kicked everyone out, and started the process to package one account that is 15GB, and another that is 115GB, then I get to scp them to the new server and restore the backups there.

[NeoTifa]

modi123_1, on 23 June 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

.. like tests for every single function and method? Ewww.. That's what patches are for.

[depricated]

I'm done with life.

Just lost another local musician.