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#1 Wolven   User is offline

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Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 01 February 2020 - 05:09 PM

Let me begin by clearly stating; DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A WAR BETWEEN C# AND VB. If you don't like and\or don't use VB.Net, then DON'T POST HERE!

In case you haven't noticed, there is a major attempt going on to destroy VB.Net. From the beginning of .Net Microsoft promised that they would maintain parity between C# and VB. Until the last few years they've been very good about keeping that promise. But with the introduction of .Net Core they have been quietly ignoring, delaying and not so subtly hinting that VB.Net support in .Net Core might be limited or, in some cases, abandoned altogether. This is ABSOLUTE B.S.! There are thousands of VB.Net developers and thousands of business applications written in VB.Net. It is currently #6 on the TIOBE Index of Most Popular Languages, right behind C# in #5. In 2019 it was AHEAD of C#.

For the past couple of years there have been a growing number of articles and posts on the web declaring that VB.Net is, or at least should be, "dying". Along with many C# developers calling for it to be killed off. Although VB.Net has been slandered by C# programmers since the beginning of .Net, over the last few years they have launched an absolute Holy War against VB.Net. Apparently VB.Net is a tremendous threat to them.

This is a call for all VB.Net developers to stand up and defend your jobs, your applications, your right to choose what language you prefer to use, and VB.Net itself. We MUST make our voices heard by Microsoft and INSURE that they continue to honor their promise and maintain parity between VB and C#.

Here are some things we can do:
1. CONTACT everyone we can at Microsoft and let them know that we SUPPORT and PREFER VB.Net and that we want its parity with C# maintained. That means anywhere C# is used, VB must also be supported. Other than perhaps "pointers", any functionality that is added to C# must also be added to VB.

2. LABEL our applications with "Powered by VB". Our customers need to know what their software is written in.

3. UNITE our voices. Create, find, join and support VB associations.

4. As nicely as possible, CORRECT the C# FANATICS B.S. where ever you find it. The FACTS are quite simple... Both VB and C# compile down to the SAME Common Intermediate Language, which creates the EXACT SAME executable binary. There is NO PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE between an executable created from VB or C#. The VB.Net compiler for VB.Net version 14 was completely rewritten from C++ to VB... and it performed faster than the C++ version! If you can write a compiler in VB.Net, then there isn't any limitation to writing any other .Net application with VB.Net.


Let's not lose the tools we use to do our jobs just because ignorant loud mouthed bigots and fanatics don't like our choice.


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#2 modi123_1   User is online

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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 01 February 2020 - 05:14 PM

I see this as a case of a mountain out of a mole hill. Vb.net and c# are grossly similar, and it should be easy to vacillate between the two.

Instead of looking back and going full fanatical for vb.nwt, why not embrace .net as a whole and look forward?

Truely,though,that was a delightful chunk of hyperbole for this Saturday afternoon. Kudos!
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#3 Wolven   User is offline

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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 01 February 2020 - 05:28 PM

Just in case it wasn't clear, I fully support .Net Core. Making our .Net applications cross platform is a great idea. I'm just working at making sure VB is a fully supported part of that going forward.
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 01 February 2020 - 05:32 PM

Don't forget vb6 while you are at it! :D
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#5 Wolven   User is offline

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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 01 February 2020 - 05:46 PM

@ Modi123_1 Hyperbole? Let's eliminate support for C# in .Net Core and see how much "hyperbole" we get... ;)/>
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 01 February 2020 - 06:12 PM

Well, good luck with that all.


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Sliding this to the lounge.
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 02 February 2020 - 08:35 AM

This is only my impressions, but I felt like VB.NET is still well supported. It is VBA which is that one that is dying (and rightly should). In my opinion, any in app scripting should be in LUA or Python in the future.

Anyway, if recall that .NET Core is fully open source. If you feel that something in it is discriminating against VB.NET, then fell free to contribute code to it to keep it at parity.
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 02 February 2020 - 09:30 PM

View PostWolven, on 01 February 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

4. As nicely as possible, CORRECT the C# FANATICS B.S. where ever you find it.


No.
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 06:21 AM

Oooh! Wait! Who do I contact to demand PHP be reinstated as the top web programming language? All this .NET crap is for the birds!

I need a catchy rhyming chant I can scream during my protest!

"I go pee for PHP?" No...
"PHP works for me?" Better, but not great...
"Boba Fett used dot net?" Nah...
"I squee for PHP?" Maybe...
"Don't be a whore for dot net core?" Perhaps a little too bold...
"You'll regret VB dot net?" I'm kind of digging this one...
"Parity for PHP?" Not bad...

C'mon, gang! We have to correct the .NET fanatics BS wherever we find it!
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 08:43 AM

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Let me begin by clearly stating; DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A WAR BETWEEN C# AND VB. If you don't like and\or don't use VB.Net, then DON'T POST HERE!


Let me begin by clearly stating, DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 08:52 AM

Man, giving orders in the lounge on your first day, huh?

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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 09:31 AM

To be fair this incendiary spat was first posted in the VB.NET, but the spirit of it really beckoned to be slide to the lounge.
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:05 AM

Ahh, makes sense. Good call - this definitely deserves lounge treatment. And I would've missed it completely, because I'm a C# dev, so I'd never stoop to hanging around the VB.NET forums...

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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:22 AM

View Posth4nnib4l, on 03 February 2020 - 11:05 AM, said:

Ahh, makes sense. Good call - this definitely deserves lounge treatment. And I would've missed it completely, because I'm a C# dev, so I'd never stoop to hanging around the VB.NET forums...


:bigsmile: :gunsmilie: :bananaman:
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Re: Help save VB.Net and your job.

Posted 03 February 2020 - 10:25 AM

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