discrimination

  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2

27 Replies - 2096 Views - Last Post: 06 December 2001 - 09:40 PM

#1 nighthawk   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover

Reputation: 0
  • View blog
  • Posts: 1,269
  • Joined: 11-April 01

discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 01:31 PM

i could have continued this in the 'is your son a hacker' thread, but since i'm in a major rant mood, i started my own thread.

i find it highly discrimatory that T Reginald Gibbons only addresses parents with sons in his article 'is your son a hacker'

Quote

Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action

he totally makes it seem as though someone's daughter doesn't have the drive or will to be a hacker.

the only mention to a daughter is of his daughter tattle-telling on her big brother and of daughters that sneak out of the house at night:

Quote

. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds.

that's a little demeaning to us daughters, what about the sons that sneak out of the house to go do drugs with their gang banger friends

and how he discriminates against books

Quote

There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.

do i need to go through the list again, perhaps i do,

snow crash:  From the opening line of his breakthrough cyberpunk novel Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson plunges the reader into a not-too-distant future. It is a world where the Mafia controls pizza delivery, the United States exists as a patchwork of corporate-franchise city-states, and the Internet--incarnate as the Metaverse--looks something like last year's hype would lead you to believe it should. Enter Hiro Protagonist--hacker, samurai swordsman, and pizza-delivery driver. When his best friend fries his brain on a new designer drug called Snow Crash and his beautiful, brainy ex-girlfriend asks for his help, what's a guy with a name like that to do? He rushes to the rescue. A breakneck-paced 21st-century novel, Snow Crash interweaves everything from Sumerian myth to visions of a postmodern civilization on the brink of collapse. Faster than the speed of television and a whole lot more fun, Snow Crash is the portrayal of a future that is bizarre enough to be plausible

cryptonomicon:  zooms all over the world, careening conspiratorially back and forth between two time periods--World War II and the present. Our 1940s heroes are the brilliant mathematician Lawrence Waterhouse, cryptanalyst extraordinaire, and gung ho, morphine-addicted marine Bobby Shaftoe. They're part of Detachment 2702, an Allied group trying to break Axis communication codes while simultaneously preventing the enemy from figuring out that their codes have been broken. Their job boils down to layer upon layer of deception. Dr. Alan Turing is also a member of 2702, and he explains the unit's strange workings to Waterhouse. "When we want to sink a convoy, we send out an observation plane first.... Of course, to observe is not its real duty--we already know exactly where the convoy is. Its real duty is to be observed.... Then, when we come round and sink them, the Germans will not find it suspicious."  All of this secrecy resonates in the present-day story line, in which the grandchildren of the WWII heroes--inimitable programming geek Randy Waterhouse and the lovely and powerful Amy Shaftoe--team up to help create an offshore data haven in Southeast Asia and maybe uncover some gold once destined for Nazi coffers. To top off the paranoiac tone of the book, the mysterious Enoch Root, key member of Detachment 2702 and the Societas Eruditorum, pops up with an unbreakable encryption scheme left over from WWII to befuddle the 1990s protagonists with conspiratorial ties.

neuromancer:  Case was the hottest computer cowboy cruising the information superhighway--jacking his consciousness into cyberspace, soaring through tactile lattices of data and logic, rustling encoded secrets for anyone with the money to buy his skills. Then he double-crossed the wrong people, who caught up with him in a big way--and burned the talent out of his brain, micron by micron. Banished from cyberspace, trapped in the meat of his physical body, Case courted death in the high-tech underworld. Until a shadowy conspiracy offered him a second chance--and a cure--for a price.... okay, so maybe this one can pass on the idea of hacking

programming with perl: it talks about perl what more do i need to say?

geeks:  Teenage hackers Jesse Dailey and Eric Twilegar are the heroes of Geeks: How Two Lost Boys Rode the Internet out of Idaho, a thoughtful, affecting pop ethnography--and heroes is exactly what Jon Katz wants you to see them as. To the rest of the world, themselves included, they are geeks, which is a complicated thing to be these days. With the rise of the networked economy, the world and its wealth have become increasingly dependent on the expertise of Star Wars-loving, cola-swilling propellerheads everywhere. Yet at the same time, the typical geek--especially the typical adolescent geek--remains a consummate outsider, with passions for technological arcana that are both alienating and empowering.  okay, so maybe this one can pass on the idea of hacking

the hacker crackdown: obviously says something about hackers it has hacker in the title

microserfs:  Microserfs is not about Microsoft--it's about programmers who are searching for lives. A hilarious but frighteningly real look at geek life in the '90's, Coupland's book manifests a peculiar sense of how technology affects the human race and how it will continue to affect all of us. Microserfs is the hilarious journal of Dan, an ex-Microsoft programmer who, with his coder comrades, is on a quest to find purpose in life. This isn't just fodder for techies. The thoughts and fears of the not-so-stereotypical characters are easy for any of us to relate to, and their witty conversations and quirky view of the world make this a surprisingly thought-provoking book.

hackers: obviously says something about hackers it has hacker in the title

the cathedral and the bazaar: well, ok, this one is written by a hacker...

half the books listed merely combine science fiction fans with the techie type...science fiction and fantasy, and yet he calls them hacker manuals...that's discrimination against the book

well, the point of this rant was that there is more to hackers than 'sons' and that in him asking 'is your son a hacker' was discrimination against the girls in this world that have the know how of hacking



Is This A Good Question/Topic? 0
  • +

Replies To: discrimination

#2 supersloth   User is offline

  • serial frotteur - RUDEST MEMBER ON D.I.C.
  • member icon


Reputation: 4695
  • View blog
  • Posts: 28,516
  • Joined: 21-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 03:02 PM

nighthawk, are you a hacker? :none:
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#3 Quik   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover
  • member icon

Reputation: 2
  • View blog
  • Posts: 3,750
  • Joined: 06-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 03:07 PM

Giddie UP! Sloth- lol. seinfeld nice footer

nighthawk dont even start with me in sexist discrimination! There are so many topic's related to discrimination between male and female.

I rather not read the big ramble you mentioned but from what i saw its kinda pathetic. Think about it. THAT WAS A STORY about a SON whom was a HACKER. so.. while the main idea of the story being this son whos a hacker i doubt they would make the title:
is your son/daughter a hacker? Think bout it.

I dont wanna piss u off or anything , i dont like being mad at ppl or being mad at.. but it just dosnt make sense.

Not to mention the fact that more or less the best known hackers are MALE! So hes stating the facts. All it is , is facts! geez

(Edited by Quik at 5:09 pm on Dec. 4, 2001)

Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#4 Lee Allers   User is offline

  • D.I.C Regular

Reputation: 0
  • View blog
  • Posts: 492
  • Joined: 06-November 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 03:15 PM

Quote

Quote:by Quik Posted on 5:07 pm on Dec. 4, 2001
....more or less the best known hackers are MALE!

he does have a point there nighthawk :)
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#5 nighthawk   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover

Reputation: 0
  • View blog
  • Posts: 1,269
  • Joined: 11-April 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 03:22 PM

hey, i'm ranting and raving, i'm allowed to do that here in the caffiene lounge, and a better title would've been 'is your child a hacker?'

and the best hackers, we just think they're guys, they could be girls, just like trinity on the matrix....think about that one for a while

Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#6 nighthawk   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover

Reputation: 0
  • View blog
  • Posts: 1,269
  • Joined: 11-April 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 03:33 PM

Quote

Quote: from Quik on 4:07 pm on Dec. 4, 2001

nighthawk dont even start with me in sexist discrimination!

my understanding is that if you don't want to hear it don't read it...i'm allowed to bring up whatever i want here in the caffiene lounge, it's like the 'my balls itch' post, if us girls don't want to hear it, don't read it...but we can't complain about it either, so if you don't want to hear it don't read it.

Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#7 Quik   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover
  • member icon

Reputation: 2
  • View blog
  • Posts: 3,750
  • Joined: 06-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 03:43 PM

Lol nighthawk ur taking that quote way to far! Usually when someone says somthing like that they mean whoa back off cause ur gonna be haggled with! *WITH A BIT SARCASISM!*
girls theese days.. *nods
ROFL-- jk .. i shoulda said.. CHILDREN theese days MY BADDD!

(btw: if u didnt notice... the matrix was a movie.. you know.. the things they make so both sex can watch without bringing up a topic to the world like u did...)

(Edited by Quik at 5:45 pm on Dec. 4, 2001)

Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#8 Vetritus03   User is offline

  • Microsoft.Whore

Reputation: 5
  • View blog
  • Posts: 1,742
  • Joined: 31-August 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 04:26 PM

i always thought the point or idea of hacking was not to known or recognized...
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#9 supersloth   User is offline

  • serial frotteur - RUDEST MEMBER ON D.I.C.
  • member icon


Reputation: 4695
  • View blog
  • Posts: 28,516
  • Joined: 21-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 05:21 PM

as did i, yet still, half the damned skool thinks im a damned hacker just cause i program, dumb friggin fools.
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#10 Quik   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover
  • member icon

Reputation: 2
  • View blog
  • Posts: 3,750
  • Joined: 06-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 05:37 PM

U know-- Even though Ive used subseven once or twice effectively to gather some info bout 'someone' i wouldnt considor myself a hacker nor anyone else who thinks they r leet cause they just sent someone a backdoor.
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#11 supersloth   User is offline

  • serial frotteur - RUDEST MEMBER ON D.I.C.
  • member icon


Reputation: 4695
  • View blog
  • Posts: 28,516
  • Joined: 21-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 05:56 PM

one guy at skool did his science fair program on hackin. he was like watch, ill get into 95,98, and ME, he did, know how he did it?

he hit cancel at logon. then ran an exe off of a floppy that collected all the passes for him while he sat there. then, he logged off and used the password to get in.

i was like, "uhhh, you really didnt do anything that anybody who could download a program could do huh?" lmao. then i asked him when he didnt do it to 2K or XP, his answer was that mircrosoft would come after him. lmao. i knew its cause he couldnt do it if he tried. lmao.

Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#12 Quik   User is offline

  • D.I.C Lover
  • member icon

Reputation: 2
  • View blog
  • Posts: 3,750
  • Joined: 06-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 06:14 PM

Yeah.. its all bs.. and the only way he coulda done that is with first resetting the pc.. u cant just flick a disk in the pc and it reads it whenever u want.. not like a cd, so the only way i could think he could do that is by first resetting and having it run a autoexec file
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#13 jaredigital   User is offline

  • 42. That's my final answer.
  • member icon

Reputation: 1
  • View blog
  • Posts: 4,090
  • Joined: 22-April 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 09:04 PM

1f 1 wr1+3 l1k3 +h15, d035 [email protected]+ [email protected] m3 @ [email protected]?
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#14 supersloth   User is offline

  • serial frotteur - RUDEST MEMBER ON D.I.C.
  • member icon


Reputation: 4695
  • View blog
  • Posts: 28,516
  • Joined: 21-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 04 December 2001 - 09:34 PM

1 d0n7 kn0w j4r3d, y0u c4n b3 1f 1 c4n b3. 1 347 cr4y0n5 700.....
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

#15 The Neoracle   User is offline

  • Check, check, 1, 2.
  • member icon

Reputation: 21
  • View blog
  • Posts: 4,097
  • Joined: 30-March 01

Re: discrimination

Posted 05 December 2001 - 01:11 AM

I wouldn't want to be a hacker any way. What's the point. Oh, I broken in to your server to tell you "Your Dumb. I O3n J00!" Big deal. Now, if I could crack. . .
Was This Post Helpful? 0
  • +
  • -

  • (2 Pages)
  • +
  • 1
  • 2