[Moonbat]

I believe God exists. There is no concrete sure-fire way to prove it, but I believe he does, for one simple reason.

The scientists of the world have created marvels. The computers that can calculate millions of calculations per second. The huge airplanes and ships that can go thousands of miles and endure harsh strenuous conditions. Science has advanced in the field of medicine, discovering cures to medical conditions and infections once thought incurable. But we have failed to do one thing. We have failed to create life.

The characteristics of a living being, according to scientists themselves, are such:

WikiAnswers said:

Collects nutrients.
Converts nutrients.
Grows.
Reproduces.
Utilizes catalysts to effect metabolism.
Membrane or protein jacket to separate self from environment.
Reacts to environment through some sense.
Has an information storing chemical -- DNA, RNA, or exotic protein.
Collects energy, either sunlight, thermal, or consumes other life: anerobic or oxygenative.

Scientists have managed to create things with a few of those characteristics, and even then those creations are microscopic. We have not yet been able to create a single organism with all of the above characteistics. Not even on the microscopic level. If we can't even do that, how could huge animals such as blue whales and dinosaurs, and smaller more intelligent animals such as humans have been created?

Scientists give the explanation of evolution, but have yet to conduct an experiment to create life. If life formed under the conditions that scientists say it has, why can't we recreate them?

There must be someone who has created the smallest organisms and the largest animals. Someone whose power goes beyond anything on earth; in other words, a divine power. God.

This post has been edited by Moonbat: 07 August 2008 - 06:41 PM

[Moonbat]

Whizzy, on 7 Aug, 2008 - 06:50 PM, said:

Moonbat, on 7 Aug, 2008 - 06:39 PM, said:

But we have failed to do one thing. We have failed to create life.

We create life everyday. It's called pro-creation. Let us also not forget cloning. I believe what you meant to say was create life from dirt, as God did. As we must learn to crawl before we can walk, I say before we can create life from dirt, first, to truely be "god like" we have to create our own dirt from thin air.

Not from 'dirt' per se, I mean create life from non-living things. If we can't do that, there has to have been some being that did.

[IMU]

no god is not real.no one has seen him

[Tom9729]

IMU, on 7 Aug, 2008 - 10:05 PM, said:

no god is not real.no one has seen him

As I said before, I'm not really pro-God or anti-God, but I think I should point out that just because we can't directly observe something does not mean that it doesn't exist.

On a side note, I think the "the big bang is god" or "the universe is god" theories are interesting.

[gabehabe]

Check this out:
http://today.msnbc.m...73110?GT1=43001

We can't create life? Maybe we can't. But we can copy life.

And, more to your point, Moonbat, why does it have to have been anyone who created it?

Nature. Evolution. These are the things that have helped our planet to grow. Not some heavenly body. After we evolved, we took it into our own hands to improve our planet. Not some heavenly body.

First, it was nature that began to develop our planet. And now, it's us who affect the way in which the planet develops.

[rgfirefly24]

There is one simple explanation to the question at hand. God Does exist if you believe he does. God Doesn't Exist if you don't. Many people have MANY reasons why they are on either side. I have seen way too many of these threads get heated to the point that people had to be banned. I applaud DIC members for not bringing to this level, it easily could. I also think this kind of topic is like beating a dead horse. There are always going to be two sides, and then the guy in the middle spinning in circles until he falls over because he cant decide which side of the fence he wants to be on.


If you believe god is real he is. If you don't think he's real then he's not. There really doesn't need to be any explanations on either side as to why.

[RodgerB]

I don't believe in God. Imho opinion, the bible sounds too much like a story to me, and back when it was written, the style of the story was all the rage (and still kinda is). Good versus evil. Gives the bad people an excuse to be on their toes or they'll get burnt by an evil prick called Satan, and if you don't believe in Jesus you'll go to hell as well (modern day references, see "You've won a free iPod!* * = If you donate $50 to our charitable fund").

I think we would have found evidence of Noah's arc by now. The closest thing I believe in is the big bang theory. FSM makes me lol, but just saying that's my religion feels degrading.

As for now, my brain scanner detects religion as malware. A malicious entity attempting to take control of my system.

[P4L]

RodgerB, on 8 Aug, 2008 - 06:46 AM, said:

I think we would have found evidence of Noah's arc by now. The closest thing I believe in is the big bang theory. FSM makes me lol, but just saying that's my religion feels degrading.

They did, in Turkey. There is a huge, ship that is under ice, and they were able to tell that the tools used were before any "modern" civilization. Meaning that is was well before any records of Columbus, and even earlier ships were built.

[gabehabe]

I agree with rgfirefly.

He's completely right by saying "if you believe that God exists, then God does exist."

It's like I said before, if you believe it, then it's kind of your way of getting through those tough moments. If you don't believe it, then there's most likely something else that comforts you.

For me, it's just the fact that tomorrow could be much better than today. It could be worse. But if I don't stick around to find out, then I'll never know. Curiosity, I guess. Anything can happen. Let it happen. If you die, you die. A few people will be sad, grieve for a while, but they will have something to live for, to stop them from ending it for themselves.

IMO, it's all about feeling secure. Everyone wants to feel secure. God is just one of those things that help people to feel like they have someone to look after them.

@RodgerB:
They have found quite a bit of evidence. Not just of Noah's Arc, but quite a while back I heard something else about them finding some kind of fossilised giant. (Think of David and Goliath)

Come to think of it, I've got a feeling that was in Turkey, too. Go figure.

Here's an article about the arc:
http://www.christcen...-ark-page-1.htm

If I can find the giants thing, I'll post a link.

[RodgerB]

did they find llama fur?

[Tom9729]

There's no reason that <insert religious text> couldn't just be a bit of historical fiction.

It's completely possible that there was a guy named Noah who built a giant boat and took a bunch of animals along for the ride (umm, food anyone?). That doesn't mean that everything in the Bible is necessarily true.

On the other hand it's also completely possible that Noah did not exist, and that ice ship was built and sailed by someone else, but that doesn't necessarily mean that God doesn't exist, it just means that the guy(s) writing the Bible got a little carried away.

[gabehabe]

Nephilim! That was the word.

Try searching it. I think there's been quite a few fakes, but some of it looks pretty realistic

Then again, you could argue that the Noah's Arc thing is a fake. It's all a matter of opinion.

[P4L]

In the New Testament, that is true, especially when the writer was writing about things that were supernatural, BUT as far as the historical accounts of specific wars, those are all true, and other accounts of them have been found in other ancient writings.