[supersloth]

their message was so conflicting, one night palin jumps all over 'community organizers' for doing good and the next day mccain finishes by telling people to go get involved in their communities. it's also awkward for her to be comparing her work as a mayor to his work as CO, the work itself nor the timelines match up. i also find it really weird that she claims the whole hockey/PTA mom thing so hard and then bashes CO's so easily. what does she think the PTA is? now today's news that she's out of interviews and will only do speeches? are VP's only supposed to work in sanitized environments now? i just don't get it.

i enjoyed mccains honesty during his speech about his time in hanoi, and i wish that was the mccain we had seen a lot more of this year, it reminded me of the pre-2006 version of mccain, the one that hadn't compromised himself for the position. if that was the mccain we had right now, it would make the choice a lot more difficult for me.

all i know is, they aren't going to win over the middle ground, the non converted with the way they are violating their own message right now. what a weird two weeks.

[KYA]

I don't know why Obama is avoiding muck slinging. He is claiming to take the high road only because he's not qualified to be president.

[supersloth]

yeah, that's it.

[KYA]

If you had a lot of "dirt" on you would you want to get down in a pit with a more "professional" muck slinger?

[Programmist]

Palin is a strategy by the McCain camp to attempt to win over some women voters who are bitter about Clinton's defeat and would rather vote republican out of spite than vote for the better candidate (note: my use of the word "better" when referring to politicians can usually be interpreted "least bad."). She's a strategy to attempt to convince potential democrat-voting republicans that the McCain camp really is "progressive." On a more base level, she’s a strategy because some guys may think she’s “hot” and vote for the McCain ticket. Although, I fail to see the usefulness of this strategy as I have the feeling that those guys are probably already voting republican anyway. In listening to t he convention they were talking about wanting to “shake things up.” This was the farthest thing from it to those who are not distracted by shiny things. If he’d wanted to shake things up he would have asked Hillary Clinton to be his running mate.

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[KYA]

less bad, how true

[capty99]

KYA, on 5 Sep, 2008 - 01:03 PM, said:

If you had a lot of "dirt" on you would you want to get down in a pit with a more "professional" muck slinger?

there is no such thing as "professional" muck slinging. business ethics 101.
i don't know what sort of drugs you take, but they must be excellent.

there is a good chance mccain might be the craziest mother fucker on the planet. i put ten bucks on it.

@super : honestly, the campaign must think that palin won't get a question about anything beyond troopergate, her daughter's child, or the myriad of other things they don't want to talk about. which is probably true. so now we get till election day a bunch of anti-obama rants.

I really don't understand how you can have prior experience when you run for president of the united states. Fine, you have been in government longer and your about to die, but seriously, you were a senator... a decently strengthened one, but still, no amount of preparation can put you in the oval office making a completely different set of decisions.

Plus, the point of Obama, is that he is not sucked into the political game yet. He can be above it. He doesn't accept money from those that are going to later call for favors, unlike McCain, he doesn't owe favors to everyone in Washington.

I'm not entirely happy with Obama, the guy is running on a liberal ticket so I wouldn't ever be a fan. But I fear the fuck out of mccain. No better way to explain it.

Finally, the president is still guided by a staff, mccain will be guided by many of the people who work on his campaign today, and run the RNC obviously... Have you ever seen a more misguided / shoddy production in your life? I really want them in charge of everything that affects me.

[KYA]

capty99, on 5 Sep, 2008 - 02:10 PM, said:

KYA, on 5 Sep, 2008 - 01:03 PM, said:

If you had a lot of "dirt" on you would you want to get down in a pit with a more "professional" muck slinger?

there is no such thing as "professional" muck slinging. business ethics 101.
i don't know what sort of drugs you take, but they must be excellent.

The point is, he "rises" above so people do not state truths about him

capty99, on 5 Sep, 2008 - 02:10 PM, said:

there is a good chance mccain might be the craziest mother fucker on the planet. i put ten bucks on it.

@super : honestly, the campaign must think that palin won't get a question about anything beyond troopergate, her daughter's child, or the myriad of other things they don't want to talk about. which is probably true. so now we get till election day a bunch of anti-obama rants.

I really don't understand how you can have prior experience when you run for president of the united states. Fine, you have been in government longer and your about to die, but seriously, you were a senator... a decently strengthened one, but still, no amount of preparation can put you in the oval office making a completely different set of decisions.

Plus, the point of Obama, is that he is not sucked into the political game yet. He can be above it. He doesn't accept money from those that are going to later call for favors, unlike McCain, he doesn't owe favors to everyone in Washington.

Check who he has received money from and get back to me on that one.

capty99, on 5 Sep, 2008 - 02:10 PM, said:

I'm not entirely happy with Obama, the guy is running on a liberal ticket so I wouldn't ever be a fan. But I fear the fuck out of mccain. No better way to explain it.

Finally, the president is still guided by a staff, mccain will be guided by many of the people who work on his campaign today, and run the RNC obviously... Have you ever seen a more misguided / shoddy production in your life? I really want them in charge of everything that affects me.

I think Mccain can get the right people for the various departments, cabinet positions, etc... These are the experienced people we need to run the country. Obama will be bringing in people who know as little as he does. That is scary.


Unfortunately there is no way to argue credibly against policy issues without sounding like I am for one candidate over the other. The goal is to provide candid, honest facts or opinions regarding the situation. Most of the time without bias

[supersloth]

wtf do you mean so no one states truths about him? how is him not mud-slinging stopping them? it obviously hasn't.

it's also bad form to say 'you go check on this point i am trying to prove', if you are trying to make a point, please go all the way thru with it.

and obama is probably going to bring a couple pretty awesome people in, one that springs to mind is gov richardson for secretary of state. that alone would help this country out a ton.

[KYA]

Point: if he mud slings he allows "open warfare" on his character, background, anything...

By not engaging in it first he allows the liberal media to clamor at the "mean and hateful" Republicans who may or may not be factual.

I said go look it up yourself because any educated, interested voter has already researched who Obama has taken money from. If you haven't and you still think he is "new politics" then you are gravely mistaken. Here for the uninformed:

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THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians. Corporations, however, do have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take money from lobbyists.

But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center’s totals.

Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Source: Associated press via Yahoo News

Every politician is in someone's pocket.

For our country's sake please evaluate the candidates on what they do, not what they say. The information is out there, that's the glory of the internet and the information age. Educate yourself.

[supersloth]

uh, they already are doing that to him?

[KYA]

Not as much as they could/should be

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[codecutie]

homemade-jam, on 2 Sep, 2008 - 04:42 AM, said:

Her 17yr old daughter is pregnant and she doesn't believe in abortion..that could cause some controversy for old mccain?

Forgive me as I am new here, but I wanted to put my 2 cents in here on this. Ok so her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, the Democratic party needs to get over it, she is engaged to be married too. Besides it is not uncommon for a girl her age to actually already be married out there, same goes for a few of the lower 48. Point is, this is just a way for them to make the Republican party look bad, but there is soooo much more that most do not know about Sen. Obama and they should, the media just isnt covering it.

[supersloth]

why should they get over it? the reason it's an issue is because her political stances are in direct conflict with what is happening in her own household. no one is making it look bad except herself, everyone is just pointing out one of her many hypocrisies.

but i guess none of that matters because if she travels to the very edge of her state and squints a little bit she can see russia.

[Reverand Dave]

Seriously:

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COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--

COURIC: Mock?

PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.

PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--

COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state.

This is more than enough to condemn her back the tundra.
I suppose it all goes back to: if you are not outraged, you are not paying attention.