[GWatt]

No, I'm going on the assumption that if the two most senior Justices leave, the remaining members will vote as per their stated opinions (http://www.ontheissu...court/court.htm) and most of the remaining Justices state that they think Roe v Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned.

[OliveOyl3471]

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most of the remaining Justices state that they think Roe v Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned.

Then maybe it should be. I wonder what would happen if the majority rule idea was actually implemented?

[KYA]

Here is what I think on abortion in a nutshell.

Should people do it? No. Don't want a baby? Don't have sex. Use protection. etc... Accept responsibility for your actions.

Now, are there medical reasons for an abortion? yes. If the mother's life is in danger (ex. atopic pregnancy) or in the case of rape or incest.

However it all boils down to this. Whether or not it is legal, people will still have abortions. It would be better to have clean, safe clinics for this rather then back alleys like in the 60's. Having that said, the government really has no business deciding this issue. It's not their fight. They have other things they should be worried about.

[Reverand Dave]

I'm curious KYA, you have stated that you don't really like McCain and am basically choosing him as the lesser of the two evils. What exactly do you not like about him?

[KYA]

LMAO that picture is priceless. (UH oh I laughed at an abortion joke).

I don't like his choice of running mate. Although she is somewhat likable as a person, she is about as experienced as Obama and has a tendency to say dumb things. [Couric interview]

I also don't like his recent pandering to certain demographics. I appreciate someone who sticks to their guns and doesn't change their talking points every 5 minutes to suit whoever they're addressing. He's done that a bit in the last few weeks and its disappointing.

[PsychoCoder]

KYA, on 24 Oct, 2008 - 06:56 AM, said:

Here is what I think on abortion in a nutshell.

Should people do it? No. Don't want a baby? Don't have sex. Use protection. etc... Accept responsibility for your actions.

Now, are there medical reasons for an abortion? yes. If the mother's life is in danger (ex. atopic pregnancy) or in the case of rape or incest.

However it all boils down to this. Whether or not it is legal, people will still have abortions. It would be better to have clean, safe clinics for this rather then back alleys like in the 60's. Having that said, the government really has no business deciding this issue. It's not their fight. They have other things they should be worried about.

Here's my stance on abortion, if a man doesn't agree with abortion he shouldn't have one

[KYA]

Uh...a man can't have an abortion...?

[Nykc]

One thing that cracks me up is how they are so anti-abortion but yet, they want laws telling you that you may not smoke in public or own a gun.

[PsychoCoder]

I hate being told where I can smoke, fuck anti-smokers. As far as owning a gun, there are people who shouldn't be owning a gun, plain and simple.

If you had a loved one killed because of extremely liberal gun control laws you'd understand my position, but since you haven't ,,!,, for telling me how I should feel about this topic

@KYA: Duh ya dolt, that's my point. No man should have the right to tell a woman what she can or cant do with her body

[Thorian]

Psycho any thoughts on this? I mean it was only 2 pages ago perhaps you missed it.

Thorian, on 23 Oct, 2008 - 04:17 PM, said:

PsychoCoder, on 23 Oct, 2008 - 12:45 PM, said:

McCain would destroy more than that, he picked a running mate that has openly said she would overturn Roe vs Wade if given the chance, yeah that's not taking away personal freedom, I've yet to hear anything like that from Obama/Biden.

I would not vote if Romney or Edwards were the candidate

Repeat after me THORIAN DOES NOT LIKE MCCAIN, AND COULD GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT PALIN

The shades of grey that make up my political thinking is this

I am for the private ownership of guns, All of em if I want to buy a M2 BMG and mount it to the roof of my truck that is my business as long as I don't harm anyone else.

I am all for the freedom to say that Obama is a commie just as I am all for your right to say that I am a nut job.

I am not for forcing anyone to have abortions or to not be able to have them accessible. I personally wouldn't want my significant other to abort my child but I wouldn't want to force her into something that she really didn't want. I would then exercise my freedom to not be with that person anymore.

I have the right to practice my non christian religion, Islamic's have the right to practice theirs as long as we don't infringe on other people.

I feel that I should be able to support my family with out any intervention of the government, However since they take 33% of my pay for their social programs they are the ones providing my disabled son's health care, If I had that 33% of my salary I could pay for his health care my self.

Everyone has the right to fail, From Corporations to Individuals. If you cannot put money back for your retirement then you will be working till you die. I should not be paying money in taxes to a system that would not reimburse my heirs in the event of my death before being able to collect benefits at 65.

If someone wants to sell their body for money that is their own business, as long as it is of their own free will and not under duress. I personally wouldn't

If someone wants to drown out their reality with a narcotic that is their own business as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process. I personally wouldn't

Basically Ill lay it down like this I wont tell you what to do, so don't tell me what to do. Neither candidate that has a chance of winning believe in what I do.

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE LEFT ALONE. That is the true meaning of freedom. not the socialist state that this country has become.

PsychoCoder, on 23 Oct, 2008 - 12:45 PM, said:

So you have a problem with Social Security and Medicare as well? God forbid when I get old that I would want some of the money I paid into all my life, how selfish of me

I present you with this question. Why do you have to pay into that system? And if you didn't have to under the threat of prison, Would you? If you die tomorrow would your heirs get any of that money? Would your wife be able to bury you with the $500 death benefit?

[Nykc]

FYI - Psycho - Actually I have lost a loved one to a Shotgun to the temple. I also lived in neighborhoods where you needed a gun to protect yourself from gangsters that walk around toting guns. It isn't all Opie Taylor in the city, and people are quick to pull guns now a days. So since it is now harder to legitimately obtain a firearm for a law abiding citizen the criminals now have a distinct advantage.


Keep the guns away from responsible people, and allow them to be obtained illegally - yeah fuck liberals.

As for smoking, deal with it - it was a liberal law reap what you sew already or quit.

Yeah I did it after 10 years of pack a day smoking quit cold turkey.


Just out of curiosity what has a liberal ever done for you?
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This post has been edited by Nykc: 28 October 2008 - 10:08 AM

[PsychoCoder]

What has a Republican ever done for me, other than raise taxes, give us a huge deficit, try to cut healthcare (In my state 40,000 kids almost lost their healthcare because of Republicans), take away rights & freedoms, lie to get us into a war so we can spend 10 billion a month while our economy goes down the tubes.

Look at what the current administration has done to this country, and you will see what an ultra conservative has done for us. Do we really want 4 more years of failed policy, failed foreign policy, failed economy (yes Bush and his administration, including McCain (who voted for it as well) were the ones who decided it was good to deregulate the financial market

[Nykc]

Wow you avoided that question like the plague.

Clinton raised taxes. anyways the question was -
What has a LIBERAL done for you? I don't care about your problems with the Bush administration, I am curious as to what the LIBERAL Congress has done for you, the Liberal Clinton Administration.

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take away rights & freedoms

The Liberals are the ones constantly trying to rewrite our constitution. So I have to disagree here.

Your whole post was your everyday spiel on why you hate bush. The democratic congress has a lower approval rating than Bush till this day!!!!

Just answer the question, I don't care to argue politics - I just want to know what the LIBERALS have done for YOU. Simple question.

Please name the last time a LIBERAL lowered your taxes as well.

[supersloth]

the clinton tax increase of 93 was actually a tax cut (or stable) for people making less than 200,000. it was only an increase on the rich, the people who were making out like a bandit under reagonomics. so while i was only 7 at the time, my family actually got a tax cut under clinton. that's the last 'liberal' president isn't it?

you people are still retarded for believing in or labeling yourselves as conservatives or liberals, their all politicians, they do what's in THEIR best interests. don't fucking kid yourselves.

[Nykc]

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they do what's in THEIR best interests. don't fucking kid yourselves.

Amen to that!

The Clinton Tax Hike

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In 1993, President Clinton ushered through Congress a large package of tax increases, which included the following:

* An increase in the individual income tax rate to 36 percent and a 10 percent surcharge for the highest earners, thereby effectively creating a top rate of 39.6 percent.
* Repeal of the income cap on Medicare taxes. This provision made the 2.9 percent Medicare payroll tax apply to all wage income. Like the Social Security payroll tax base today, the Medicare tax base was capped at a certain level of wage income prior to 1993.
* A 4.3 cent per gallon increase in transportation fuel taxes.
* An increase in the taxable portion of Social Security benefits.
* A permanent extension of the phase-out of personal exemptions and the phase-down of the deduction for itemized expenses.
* Raising the corporate income tax rate to 35 percent.

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The 1997 Tax Cut: The Economy Unleashed

In 1997, the Republican-led Congress passed a tax-relief and deficit-reduction bill that was resisted but ultimately signed by President Clinton. The 2007 bill:

* Lowered the top capital gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent;
* Created a new $500 child tax credit;
* Established the new Hope and Lifetime Learning tax credits to reduce the after-tax costs of higher education;
* Extended the air transportation excise taxes;
* Phased in an increase in the estate tax exemption from $600,000 to $1 million;
* Established Roth IRAs and increased the income limits for deductible IRAs;
* Established education IRAs;
* Conformed AMT depreciation lives to regular tax lives; and
* Phased in a 15 cent-per-pack increase in the cigarette tax.

But this isn't to argue politics, I just want Obama's #1 fan over here to point out what the LIBERALS have done for him.

This post has been edited by Nykc: 28 October 2008 - 11:46 AM