[Amadeus]

KYA, on 12 Feb, 2009 - 10:51 PM, said:

Whoa. Let;s take a step back. I'm saying women have it easy. BUT the playing field is even if not slightly tilted in favor of women. Anyone one who denies that is just wrong.

Actually, you have a valid point in some respects. There have been a number of initiatives over the last number of years (including a change in attitude from most folks) that present women with better opportunities than could be had years ago. Looking at it from a male perspective, it certainly appears that the playing field tilts toward women's favour (and of course, you're speaking mostly of North America - there are many locations where no strides have been made at all).

The problem is that there is still an 'old boys' club (for lack of a better term) that wields power, and can manipulate/guide the outcome of any affirmative action programs in place. This becomes more and more evident as you rise through the ranks, although can still be evident anywhere.

It's mostly attitude now that causes problems...but things continue to change, as they always will.

[WolfCoder]

KYA, on 12 Feb, 2009 - 08:51 PM, said:

... Anyone one who denies that is just wrong.

You can still argue either way actually. Just because someone doesn't share the same absolute view as you doesn't mean they're wrong.

[BenignDesign]

As one lacking a willy in the IT sector, I can assure you the playing field is not even. Not by a long shot.

And now I will shutup and avoid this thread altogether before I my inner feminist finds the carpet staples...

[Nykc]

All of my bosses in the IT jobs I have had have been Females.

[Amadeus]

I understand that there are always cases that go against the norm...but they are not indicative of the industry overall. I can tell you i have worked in every capacity from programming to running large departments. the old mindset still exists, but as mentioned, it is getting better.

[KYA]

Just because there is a lack of females in the IT world overall doesn't necessarily indicate a bias or negative attitude towards women. It could be any number of factors, including, but not limited to, women apathy towards the field.

Remember the "Can boys and girls programme" thread? Gender is irrelevant until someone feels slighted.

[NeoTifa]

Fuck that shit. Definetally not!

[KYA]

NeoTifa, on 13 Feb, 2009 - 07:51 AM, said:

Fuck that shit. Definetally not!

If you could be more specific to what shit you're fucking, I could address your concerns better.

[Nykc]

I think she is mad over the fact all of my bosses have been females in the IT sector. It is cool, I have male bosses now.

[NeoTifa]

I am mad about that article. You know, the topic of this thread....

[BenignDesign]

Don't let them ruffle your feathers, Neo.... that's what they want. Be the duck. Be one with the duck. Let it roll off your back. Take up smoking. Plot revenge on the male of the species. Buy carpet staples. And a staple gun. And a bottle of rum.

[NeoTifa]

Lol. I'm not smoking though....

[tody4me]

jjsaw5, on 12 Feb, 2009 - 01:14 PM, said:

http://www.forumapex...keeping1955.jpg

A woman I work with has these pages laminated and hung at her desk. They are from the actual magazine from 55.

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Ok, I've said what I came here to say. I'm out.

This post has been edited by tody4me: 13 February 2009 - 08:33 AM

[KYA]

NeoTifa, on 13 Feb, 2009 - 08:02 AM, said:

I am mad about that article. You know, the topic of this thread....

Why are you mad about an article from 1955? That's like me saying I'm upset that William won at the Battle of Hastings. Damn Normans!


All you are doing is furthering the separation between men and women in your mind. The disparity exists because you allow it to.

[jjsaw5]

NeoTifa, on 13 Feb, 2009 - 10:02 AM, said:

I am mad about that article. You know, the topic of this thread....

My intention of posting this article was not to piss off the opposite sex. It was to get a laugh out of people because of how ridiculous some of the things on there were.

Maybe it's just me but looking back at old mag adds and other things like this is commical.

And the fact that they actually put this in a magazine and expected women to follow it.


I'm not going to get into the whole opposite sex battle. I have a mother who is a manager in the IT field, I know first hand the kinds of things that go on.