[KYA]

I'm getting tired of the "if you can't do the time then don't do the crime" jingle.

I appreciated the irony/sarcasm comrade.

[DaneAU]

Simple solution, don't make guns so easily available. There is no need for them. If you make them illegal except at proper ranges, with strict laws on keeping storing then you won't get someone high on drugs / mentally distraught massacering innocent people in blind rage. Take away the opportunity.

[firebolt]

Ahh.. so what about the hundreds of thousands of guns that are already out. Just disregard that. And also the blackmarket. Tougher laws just make more trouble. It makes people paranoid and start doing crazy things.

[c0mrade]

firebolt, on 26 Apr, 2009 - 05:51 AM, said:

Ahh.. so what about the hundreds of thousands of guns that are already out. Just disregard that. And also the blackmarket. Tougher laws just make more trouble. It makes people paranoid and start doing crazy things.

The killer at VT had a known history of mental problems. Yet he was able to walk into a gun store and legally purchase the gun that he killed thirty people with.

[BigAnt]

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You know that post had nothing to do with marijuana...

Never said it did. If the law allows for a maximum penalty of this and that what the judge decides then that is your punishment. You know it is illegal when you do it. If you still choose to do it then you will deal with the consequences.

This is just like here in Wisconsin. The attorney general said unconcealed carrying in Wisconsin is perfectly legal. Then the police chief here in Milwaukee said that you will be stopped and have to provide proof of legality regardless of what you are doing is illegal or not. So the police do not have to follow the laws now and can just stop anyone who is walking without a reasonable suspicion?

If you want a gun fine but walking around with it like it is the wild west is no reason for. You can't just take it out and challenge someone to a duel. There is no need to walk around with a gun like that wild west today.

[markhazlett9]

firebolt, on 26 Apr, 2009 - 05:51 AM, said:

Ahh.. so what about the hundreds of thousands of guns that are already out. Just disregard that. And also the blackmarket. Tougher laws just make more trouble. It makes people paranoid and start doing crazy things.

here in Canada we have much much stricter laws when it comes to guns and have one of the gun deaths in the world. I think that can help out alot and do the opposite.

[KYA]

You only have "one of the gun deaths in the world?"

Might want to edit that.

[DaneAU]

firebolt, on 26 Apr, 2009 - 05:51 AM, said:

Ahh.. so what about the hundreds of thousands of guns that are already out. Just disregard that. And also the blackmarket. Tougher laws just make more trouble. It makes people paranoid and start doing crazy things.

Here in Australia we had a shooting spree in Tasmania by a bloke named "Martin Bryant" - shortly after the government called a gun amnesty and destoryed thousands of weapons, after which the laws were changed and guns were made a lot harder to get. If you want to keep guns then don't complain when people use them in such a way. If there was no guns maybe another form of attack would have occured that might not have been so fatal. I cannot imagine having metal detectors to walk into schools and colleges, sorry but if you think having guns and that in your society is good/normal then may god help you. Keeping them legal propogates a society based around fear, intimidation and aggression, you want a better life then get rid of guns - keep them for police and army services i.e. people with the training to proper determine when the use of deadly force is neccessary. There will always be illegal firearms here in Australia, however the average joe with his rifle collection in the back shed will cease to exist - illiminating the ability for personal arguments to escelate into death via firearm.

[c0mrade]

^ What he said ^

The right to own a gun was specified as a right in America to try and keep the balance of power (so that people could rebel against their government).

However, people owning guns simply doesn't fulfill the requirement any more... but do you think people will be allowed to walk around with machine guns, missiles, and grenades? No, not a chance. So why does the right still exist when it serves no purpose?

[firebolt]

bbq, on 27 Apr, 2009 - 11:53 AM, said:

firebolt, on 26 Apr, 2009 - 05:51 AM, said:

Ahh.. so what about the hundreds of thousands of guns that are already out. Just disregard that. And also the blackmarket. Tougher laws just make more trouble. It makes people paranoid and start doing crazy things.

Here in Australia we had a shooting spree in Tasmania by a bloke named "Martin Bryant" - shortly after the government called a gun amnesty and destoryed thousands of weapons, after which the laws were changed and guns were made a lot harder to get. If you want to keep guns then don't complain when people use them in such a way. If there was no guns maybe another form of attack would have occured that might not have been so fatal. I cannot imagine having metal detectors to walk into schools and colleges, sorry but if you think having guns and that in your society is good/normal then may god help you. Keeping them legal propogates a society based around fear, intimidation and aggression, you want a better life then get rid of guns - keep them for police and army services i.e. people with the training to proper determine when the use of deadly force is neccessary. There will always be illegal firearms here in Australia, however the average joe with his rifle collection in the back shed will cease to exist - illiminating the ability for personal arguments to escelate into death via firearm.

Dude. I'm Australian too. I meant in America following on the Virginia Tech story.

[NeoTifa]

True. Guns are lame in comparison to katana's. If people are going to get killed, death by ninja is way sweeter than a drive-by.

I don't know if I already mentioned this, but the reason why we have that in our constitution is just in case the government gets too powerful the country can rebel and make it's own militia. It all goes back to the revolutionary war.

[Bort]

NeoTifa, on 29 Apr, 2009 - 05:35 AM, said:

True. Guns are lame in comparison to katana's. If people are going to get killed, death by ninja is way sweeter than a drive-by.

I don't know if I already mentioned this, but the reason why we have that in our constitution is just in case the government gets too powerful the country can rebel and make it's own militia. It all goes back to the revolutionary war.

You did mention this already

I have to agree with you though. death by ninja is a lot cooler than a drive-by shooting.

[BigAnt]

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You did mention this already smile.gif

I have to agree with you though. death by ninja is a lot cooler than a drive-by shooting.

I prefer death by spontaneus combustion.

[NeoTifa]

Nah. Not nearly as cool. That be hot

[KYA]

Dying is cool? I want some of that kool aid.